How Taylor Hicks helped Adam Lambert win AI8 (except he didn’t)

American Idol Empire

Ok, so this was obviously written a week ago, before the finale, but it still poses some interesting questions.

American Idol isn’t interested in anything out of the ordinary . . . or at least it wasn’t ’til Taylor Hicks won.

Think about it. When Taylor Hicks vied for the crown on Season Five of Fox’s American Idol, contestants weren’t allowed to use instruments on stage, nonetheless be a less-than-the-norm “pop” idol. Rules were set in impenetrable stone, and structure was there to bring about a cookie cutter, easy-to-digest Top Ten charting singer. That’s about all that the Powers That Be were looking for.

And when Taylor Hicks continued to go through, round after round after round, and he made it very clear that he wouldn’t bow to the traditional conventions, it appeared that the judging panel became uncomfortable with him. There was a considerable amount of press that began to circulate, stating that Taylor Hicks couldn’t possibly win because his musical style was just too . . . out there. Hicks was unconventional, not quite a rocker and not quite a soul singer, but certainly in no way a vanilla-sounding pop singer. Frankly, he just didn’t fit into any preconceived molds, and that was a real problem.

It was a real problem because mass entertainment is and almost always has been geared towards a very middle-of-the-road audience. A show like American Idol was originally meant to pump out the same sort of artist year after year, with the only major change being either the sex of the winner, or the sex and the race of the winner, or—Heaven forbid—maybe really mess it all up and put an almost-country singer into the mix.

Still Taylor just wouldn’t give up. He wasn’t listening to the naysayers, all those who were certain he was too much of an oddball for the entertainment industry to take notice of him . . . to let him have that amazing chance to stand in the spotlight and—win. It could be just as much that Taylor simply touched a place inside those who continued to support him, that place where so many of us decide we’ve had enough of being herded around, and want to actually make a collective decision that veers in a new and more exciting direction.

Whether it was Taylor’s talent alone, or a large groundswell of supporters that couldn’t get enough of his just-barely-there maverick attitude and scratchy soulful voice, Taylor Hicks did win. Chances are, it was a combination. There are, thankfully, times when the public manages to hoodwink the well-organized and seemingly foolproof plans of those who think they hold the reins of societal response. The plan is to have it all neatly tied up and fit together before those of us who are supposedly making the decisions know our own minds. The thing is, though, that with Taylor, the tables were turned. Not everyone listened, and the “Soul Patrol” took control.

Which brings this full-circle to Adam Lambert. Unless there’s an upset of all upsets, we will find out on Wednesday, May 20, 2009, that Adam has won this year’s American Idol. It’s nearly a given that Adam wouldn’t have had a chance a few years ago. He’s a hard-rocking, off-the-wall-dressing, and outrageously talented performer who simply has no mold. There isn’t even a slight leaning towards center for this young man. That he’s extraordinarily gifted on stage is unquestionable; still, his persona and, more importantly, his type of music would never have cut it prior to Taylor upsetting the oh-so-traditional apple cart. It just wouldn’t have been given a chance.

To this day, there are Taylor Hicks detractors who undermine his style, a style that while it is comparable to some legends of yesteryear, has not yet been copied. Yet Adam has been pegged almost from Day One as this year’s winner, and his “uniqueness” is applauded weekly by those very same judges who derided that quality in Taylor Hicks.

Without Taylor, though, Adam wouldn’t be getting ready to take over the reins for the next, and possibly the last, American Idol year on our TVs. That is something for which he can thank Taylor Hicks. Taylor was the original who braved that, “I’m different than all the rest of you” front—and won in spite of it.

Web Site: Linda J Alexander

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93 Responses to “How Taylor Hicks helped Adam Lambert win AI8 (except he didn’t)”

  1. Yayyyyyyy!
    I sort of agree on that………..with Taylor, I think we were all just sick & tired of “pop” music as it was.
    Now it’s more anything goes on AI and it is quite refreshing!

  2. Well since Adam didn’t win, Taylor is still the coolest Idol around IMO

  3. jerseyirish Says:

    iag, Saw that when it came out. Sorta the reverse they didn’t want Taylor to win and they were blatant about their support for Adam. Around 8 left I thought it might have a reverse effect for Adam, folks want to make their own choices and they were just shoving Adam at the public. The same thing happened with David A and David C the night before the finale Simon bascially said the same thing both season’s declared David A and Adam the winners. So maybe niext year they won’t pimp one contestant over another and maybe the one that “shoiuld have” won will.

    JI

  4. I don’t know why they even ask the judges about who they think should win. It is simply not their call to make.
    Pick up a phone and vote like everyone else!
    As for David Cook, anyone else get his CD. IMO it is terrible, all the songs are quite similar and ALL contain that awful “glory note” that he wails so well…….hubby bought it for me for Xmas.
    I liked David A last year way better and thought he might fit the “middle of the road” mold that AI wants to pimp out, better that D. Cook.
    I did, however, think both David’s deserved it, so, no harm no foul.

  5. When I look at that picture, I see two “standouts” in the music business, Kelly and Carrie. That’s not a very good percentage for winners of the world’s most popular singing show, is it?

    Maybe picking out a singer shouldn’t be left to television viewers.

  6. Jenni Jac Says:

    When I look at that picture, I see talented people who are all vastly better off now than before they won the show.

    It’s pretty unrealistic to expect a TV show to produce a superstar each and every year.

  7. Sweetay Says:

    I don’t go along with the article. Can’t see any resemblance to Adam on AI and Taylor’s run on the show. Adam made me want to fast forward, and Taylor almost wore out my rewind button.

    As far as picking out a star.. We can only vote on the choices we are given. Between Kris and Adam, I would pick Adam. However, I really didn’t vote for either of them cause I only vote if I know I will support them in their career. I can say with a level of certainty that I will not spend any money on screaming Adam. With Kris it comes down to song choice. If he gets some good songs to sing then he will make it big. I’m thinking the country route for him.

    The only idol that can sing crap and I will keep on keeping on is…. (yeah, you guessed it)….Taylor! There is just something about him that keeps me hanging on. No, he is not a Star, as in Kelly and Carrie. So I have no idea what the pull is that he has on me. Its really bad (good) for instance.. If all the idols were giving away free tickets for concerts at the same time on the same street in my town.. You can bet I would be sitting with the very small group ( maybe just me?) … throughly enjoying myself listening to TAYLOR HICKS!!!

    So in a monetary fashion, Yeah, maybe America got in wrong with Kris. Hell, everyone thinks we got in wrong with Taylor. But if I had it to do all over again, I would still vote for my Idol … Taylor!

    Now if he could only get his hands on some really good songs!

    Kris stands a better chance than Taylor cause I think AI has learned their lesson and will give full support to the actual Idol this time. Sure they will sign Adam, but hopefully the support given will be like that of two Davids, rather than the Taylor/Daughtry model.

  8. Sweetay Says:

    Off the subject.. But would someone please tell me why Taylor is seen as the worst Idol winner? Why does everyone use his name to slam contestants and make fun of AI? Is it because all the other ones, who are really doing worse than Taylor.. are black! Are white, straight people the only ones in this new totally free world that we can still indiscriminately put down!

    I am so sick of all the slams against Taylor. I wish AI (the show) would die!

  9. Why Straw, I didn’t know you based “stand-outs” on how much they sell.
    Thought it was all about the music even if you never made it out of the local bar.

  10. Snowstorm Says:

    Bottom line…it opens doors. What you do with that after the show is over is up to you. He was great for the show – someone quirky, original, great visual performer, but that does not translate to record sales. Taylor’s problem is that his music doesn’t fit in anywhere. Someone with an obvious twang in his voice, should have been a Country singer all along. I knew this when I first heard him. So, now it looks like he’s turned to Country, but it’s going to be a tough road for him. Of course, he’s doing what all failed Idols are doing…turns to Broadway.

  11. casualfan Says:

    I agree with that article. While I don’t compare Taylor and Adam’s music, I compare the fact that both these men had the brass balls to showcase their uniqueness, style and personality on that stage week after week. These are the only 2 contestants that have done that to date.

    As far as AI dying…won’t be happening anytime soon. Adam injected that much needed punch to revive the show and raised the bar even higher.

  12. casualfan Says:

    Sweetay Says:

    May 22, 2009 at 10:55 am
    Off the subject.. But would someone please tell me why Taylor is seen as the worst Idol winner? Why does everyone use his name to slam contestants and make fun of AI? Is it because all the other ones, who are really doing worse than Taylor.. are black! Are white, straight people the only ones in this new totally free world that we can still indiscriminately put down!
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    Sweetay, Taylor is not the worst Idol ever, not even close. Taylor reminds me of an untapped oil well. We all know it’s there but one has to keep drilling till the right spot is hit.

  13. Sweetay Says:

    Maybe the article can be reissued with the title “How Taylor Hicks helped Adam Lamber to lose AI8. Probably get a lot more hits than the original and besides everyone knows that any association with Hicks is a kiss of death.

    Its all beginning to make sense. Adam lost because he carried on like Taylor Hicks, and Kris is going to wind up with a Taylor Hick’s career.

    I am not feeling your pain Grey. Boo Oho Adam didn’t win. Adam will be just fine. TPTB love him! You should know by now that is what really matters. Now Adam can play the role that has made Daughtry famous… the should have been IDOL.

    CF: Yeah, You don’t have to convince me that Taylor is not the worst. Top ten in money makers, made the hot Idol list, is always working, and has fans that really luv him. But he is a white straight male. Its open season on them. No one can put down anyone else so easily without getting hateful cries of discrimination.

    Bye.. Gotta go join the world. So much to do!

  14. If they had a final AI show of all the winners competing against each other- do you think Tay could win it?

  15. casualfan Says:

    Off topic-I noticed today that Taylor came in 10th place for AI money makers with 300k….not bad considering he’s basically laid dormat with the exception of Grease and a few gigs here and there.

  16. casualfan Says:

    Sierra Says:

    May 22, 2009 at 12:25 pm
    If they had a final AI show of all the winners competing against each other- do you think Tay could win it?
    =============================================
    Not a chance in hell. Clarkson and Underwood would overshadow him by miles.

  17. Snowstorm Says:

    300k is terrible in the entertainment business! At least he was lucky enough to get the Grease gig, otherwise, it would have been close to nothing!

    See what a small group of fans he really has? that’s the reality!

  18. But would someone please tell me why Taylor is seen as the worst Idol winner? Why does everyone use his name to slam contestants and make fun of AI?

    Sweetay, that’s the million dollar question. I guess it’s just one of those things that once it gets started it’s hard to stop. I do believe that it was started by Simon and was supported by AI. So, it became OK to do it and everyone just jumped on the band wagon.
    The only time I ever voted was for Taylor. This year I almost voted for Adam but didn’t because IMO it doesn’t really matter who wins. In fact Adam may be better off not winning. AI signs as many as they want to sign anyway and gives them all that first promo push and whoever has the biggest sales the first few weeks is the one they put their full focus on winner or not. I’d like to see Adam get completely away from the Idol machine and sign with someone else. That could really wake Idol up if they lost out on signing someone who turned into a huge star. As it is now they think they have their cake and can eat it too.

  19. Snowstorm Says:

    All Idol contestants sign contracts and Idol basically owns you. You cannot sign a recording contract with anyone else…they have first dibs on you. After the Idol tour, if you don’t get signed by them, then you are free to pursue other options.

  20. It would be nice for Adam to walk away Kathy…but I don’t think he can. I think he’s probably under a contractual obligation already.

  21. casualfan Says:

    Simon had dollar signs reflecting in his pupils with Lambert so it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he’s already got him by the balls.

  22. Agree with IAG re: thinking Adam is already signed . . would be nice if TPTB okay’d a whirl with Queen though.
    I know – wishful thinking . . but the split with Paul Rodgers is fueling a dream scenario . . and am certain the Simons are far from oblivious to the Freddy Mercury chatter.

  23. psst! Somebody said ‘balls’ and it wasn’t Rosie!

  24. casualfan Says:

    AH Says:

    May 22, 2009 at 1:36 pm
    Agree with IAG re: thinking Adam is already signed . . would be nice if TPTB okay’d a whirl with Queen though.
    I know – wishful thinking . . but the split with Paul Rodgers is fueling a dream scenario . . and am certain the Simons are far from oblivious to the Freddy Mercury chatter.
    =============================================
    I’m somewhat slow on the uptake these days, but if you are referring to Adam doing a stint with Queen….OH HELL YEAH! Adam reminded me of a young Freddy Mercury and I saw chemistry with the band.

  25. Jenni Jac Says:

    Snowstorm=”300k is terrible in the entertainment business!”
    ===========================================

    The median expected salary for a typical Actor/Performer in the United States is $48,740

    Median salary of musician/ Singer with 10-19 years experience: $34,755
    http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Musician_or_Singer/Salary

  26. casualfan Says:

    caryl Says:

    May 22, 2009 at 1:57 pm
    psst! Somebody said ‘balls’ and it wasn’t Rosie!
    ============================================
    Not just your average balls either. I’m talking monster sized, shiny, brass and glittery BALLS!

  27. I’m not going to compare the size or weight of Taylor and Adam’s balls, but yeah they are both ballsy. I’ll give Adam his due with being ballsy.

  28. JumpedtheShark Says:

    I hate that picture.

  29. casualfan . . sorry, didn’t mean to be confusing . . yes – I would love to see Adam get a bit of “rock tour seasoning” by fronting for Queen.

    Paul Rodgers has been touring with Queen and it was recently announced that they have split. PR may be familiar to some as the lead singer for Bad Company: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD9xIhGl-Ko
    Saw a concert on one of the Dish channels and imho PR was “just okay” trying to cover Queen’s catalog.

    Think Adam could easily do it justice without antagonizing any but the most rabid Freddy Mercury fans. Just an opinion . . or as Charcoal would put it – typing, typing, typing.

  30. casualfan Says:

    Jenni Jac Says:

    May 22, 2009 at 2:01 pm
    Snowstorm=”300k is terrible in the entertainment business!”
    ===========================================

    The median expected salary for a typical Actor/Performer in the United States is $48,740

    Median salary of musician/ Singer with 10-19 years experience: $34,755
    http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Musician_or_Singer/Salary
    =========================================
    And I can see that Jenni, especially if the Artist is solely reliant on their royalties from cd sales. What most people don’t realize is that the Artist doesn’t make hardly anything from their record sales. In truth, their percentage rate is around 25% if that depending on the contract and the record company. The “bread and butter” is in merchandising, touring….which Taylor has done neither in the last 2 years, so yes-I think 300k-considering all the elements is actually a very good take for him.

  31. Whenever Simon was interviewed or was on a show, (after Taylor won), he made it a point to say that America got it wrong. I cannot think of the mans name, but during Nazi Germany, this man stated if you tell the public a lie and keep repeating it, eventually the people will believe it. That is what Simon did. Didn’t it seem odd that after Taylor won and a couple of years go by and Simon was still repeating how America got it wrong. Also, Taylor is not a hard rocker. He let his emotions show, You are so beautiful. (I loved it). But I think it made him vulnerable.

    Not sure about the Adam/Taylor article, but it is very interesting. I am not worrying about Adam, AI will take very good care of him. I guess success is in the eyei of the beholder. Wish I made $300,00, I ‘de be happy if I made $100,000. Gotta go and check the news. This is a good subject.

  32. JumpedtheShark Says:

    Great post Oliver…..agreed, agreed.

  33. Well, I think Taylor also helped future AI winners by showing what happens when a winner tries to butt heads with AI.

  34. I thought the article was right on. Taylor paved the way. He is paying the price for it now though. I can’t say that I would have done it different if I were Taylor. He held tight to what he believes in. Some say it was stupid to do, I don’t.

    Hopefully now that Clive and Nygel are gone, maybe idol is seeing what they have done wrong in trying to turn singers into a genre they’re not, and just let them do what they do.

    Personally I think idol will only be around a couple more years. Every year the viewers are fewer and fewer. They are still number one, but going downhill and not staying steady. This year’s finale was the second least watched finale for them.

  35. JumpedtheShark Says:

    Yikes iag! But so true. An idiot moment for Taylor.

  36. Anybody see this?

    http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/215180/aikens-lambert-rant-claymate-turns-to-clayhate/

    Clay Aiken:The show was different then, and folks made it in seasons 1-3 because they were ‘real’ people who happened to sing/entertain well. But, somewhere along the way, AI stopped being about real people.

    And this:I think many voters got sick of being ‘told who to vote for’. I think many were turned off by the blatant favoritism shown towards one contestant. Therefore, on that last night, they used their votes against a contestant that they were tired of hearing about and for the contestant who had been written off. And, at the same time, I think they voted AGAINST an American Idol that has, for four years now, been more about the slick productions and polished contestants than it has been about finding the raw talent that it did in its first three seasons.

    Guess Season 4-8 winners are a little too polished for Clay Aiken.

  37. Did you see this on AOL’s home page?

    “‘Idol’ Winner
    Still in Shock
    Kris Thinks Adam ‘Deserved’ to Take It
    Plus, Lambert Says Sexuality Hurt Him”

    I’m trying to get to the story, I’ll be back.

  38. Taylor definitely needed some guidance after he won AI. Going up against the machine is like getting into it with the IRS. I have a feeling he did not know how powerful they were. It’s a shame that he has to keep paying for this after all this time, however. He is a real talent, I don’t want him to just fade away. I would be afraid to show my face if people said all those bad things about me. But he just keeps trying, man I have to give him credit for that.

  39. OMG, here’s all it says:

    “Do you think the talk about your sexual orientation had any impact on the voting?

    Lambert: You know, probably [laughs].”

  40. JumpedtheShark Says:

    Thanks Caryl.

  41. I love how that headline isn’t really what he said. Typical.

  42. Christa Says:

    If Taylor just let the machine control him, he would have to be making crappy pop music. For that I’m glad that he has his own mind and is ballsy.

  43. Christa, what exactly do you call the music he’s making now?

  44. dancingqueen Says:

    Simon is really hung up about Taylor. On Ryan’s radio show Thursday, Ryan & Simon rated where Kris falls among the winners. Answer: About the middle, but, better than Ruben & definitely, better than Taylor.

    Everything in the idol world, is based on record sales figures, where you stand with 19Alphabet, & awards. Until Taylor came along, Ruben was the worst idol, because he was outsold by the runner-up, Clay. Taylor heads off of idol with three strikes against him, being outsold by the 4th place finisher, not signing with 19Alphabet, and having no set genre. Simon & the show basically disowned him, and the media has spun the negativity ever since. Just regarding the salary figures for 2008, you can see it. No one mentions that his salary is based merely on Grease, no one lauds him for just making the top 10, no one mentions that other winners & runners-up aren’t on the list at all, instead, it’s the status quo. Taylor sucks, because, everyone else made millions, and the winner of Season 5 made a paltry $300,000.

    I do commend him for keepin’ on & working his ass off, and I do believe everything will fall into place for him someday.

  45. hicksaholic Says:

    I guess we will never know but I would love to know what all happened between Taylor and TPTB after the AI win. Something tells me it was a combination of AI trying to force Taylor to be something he wasn’t and Taylor being stubborn thinking he could control everything given his wild success on the show and immediately after. I often wonder what would have happened if they had had found a middle ground. As it is Taylor was stuck with the enigma of AI winner in the minds of “real” musicians but was not given the massive promo a winner typically gets. But there is always the “daughtry” factor. Perhaps Taylor knew the money and promo was going to Daughtry regardless and he said screw this I’ll try to make the music I want(even if he didn’t succeed)

  46. I hope someday Taylor would be able to put out a tell all book on what happened with him and AI. I would be the first in line to buy that one. Did I ever mention that Simon is a little toad. I will bet the people that are putting down Taylor on what he made last year did not make as much as him. He made a lot. It is not what you make it is what you do with your money. There have been several big celebrities through the years that have ended up broke. I know lots of people personally that have not made that much but knew how to manage their money, some of them are millionaires. I hope Taylor’s money is being managed well.

  47. jerseyirish Says:

    Olover, Said the same thing elsewhere about a tell all book, I’d be first in line for that one!!! Agree with all you say, Taylor is a very savvy businessman and probably makes the money work for him.

    JI

  48. LOLOLOL at this quote from Adam re the kind of album he’d like to make. I’ve been guilty of some personal eye-rolling at times when Taylor has discussed his album with the “my voice as the common thread” description, so did a definite double take on this!

    “Obviously, we want the album to have a cohesive sound, but I think it can kind of be a collection of different styles with me at the center of it. Everybody knows who I am singing it, so that’s the common thread.”

    http://mjsbigblog.com/adam-lambert-speaks-to-the-press.htm#more-7412

  49. “300k is terrible in the entertainment business! At least he was lucky enough to get the Grease gig, otherwise, it would have been close to nothing!”

    “See what a small group of fans he really has? that’s the reality!”

    ===============================================

    Let’s do talk about reality.

    1. This was a top 10 list. Making the list = a good thing. There are two AI winners and numerous busy, successful alums who did not make the list at all.

    2. This is income for 2008 only. Taylor did not release an album in 2008. Taylor did not tour in 2008. This reflects a year in which he did a 3 month stint on Broadway and the first month of the national Grease tour — and very little else in the way of income-producing activities. I’m not sure how one can extrapolate from these figures that Taylor has a “small number of fans.” There might be some basis for that statement in a year when he had released an album or toured, but I don’t see the correlation during a year in which Grease was his main professional endeavor.

    3. Taylor’s 2007 tour, which ended in fall 2007, reported strong attendance and healthy revenues.

    3. It’s not possible for you to know what Taylor’s income would have been (or that “it would have been close to nothing”) if he hadn’t chosen to do Grease, because you don’t know what other opportunities he had or what else he would have chosen to do professionally absent that commitment.

    4. Grease came looking for Taylor for the cameo role of Teen Angel precisely because he was viewed as an audience draw. By all written accounts, he proved to be a tremendous draw, greatly increased the show’s revenues, and has continued that success through the (recently extended) national tour. Somebody wants to see him.

  50. And it appears I have two number 3s. ^^

    Hate when that happens.

  51. jerseyirish Says:

    Robin, Very well said, I had mentioned next year this time would show much clearer numberrs for him with Grease, the CD, shadow dates, and singing at events.

    JI

  52. Thanks for that, Robin. All good points. Especially number 3.

    (see what I did there? Number 3? ‘Which number 3? Dear God, which number 3 is she talking about?’)

    yeah. I may have breathed in too many paint fumes today.

  53. LOL, caryl. Go get some fresh air now.

  54. But they really were good points. You said it better than I could have (what with the paint fumes and all.) Damn, I’m trying to be serious.

  55. In response to Robin’s point 4 . . . I am happy for Taylor that he has a steady job and what I assume is a pretty nice paycheck and all that. And I am really glad that he is getting so much love from the theater crowd. The only problem is that I am a music fan, not a theater fan. Theater is where the money for him is right now, and that seems to be his primary focus. Good for him, if that’s what he wants to do. He should totally go for it.

    I’m just not into that . . . and it wouldn’t make one bit of difference to me how much money he made doing it. My level of interest in him just diminishes a little every day. And honest to God, that makes me sad. 😦

  56. Ok, Soulaz…I was so in to thinking how to reply to your last comment, that I went to login to WordPress, I typed soulaz.com (which by the way, is already registered) 😆

    I bet that a lot of Taylor fans feel that way. I am not a fan of musicals, I never have been. I’m glad that there are people who like them, but I just don’t get the attraction. Like you said…”The only problem is that I am a music fan, not a theater fan.” I totally agree.

  57. I agree with you soulaz. My interest is waning. Why is it so hard to just let myself be a fan, you know, a normal, everyday fan the way I am with the other musicians I like?

    Yay for the fans who love Grease and love everything he’s doing right now. He needs them. And I’m serious about that. God bless ’em.

  58. That’s interesting Caryl…I would love to know what it is about Taylor that won’t let me be a “normal” fan…instead sometimes I find myself being a little too invested. Ugh.

  59. Snowstorm Says:

    Yeah right, keep making excuses, but $300,000 for singer who won American Idol is terrible!

    You do know the money he made on his national tour after Idol was before expenses, don’t you? That was not his take home pay! You take out expenses and that number is a lot less! I remember some of those concerts were cancelled and were only half full, even down South, where that’s supposed to be stronghold.

    Taylor released a cd called Early Works in 2008… forgot about that?

  60. spinshack Says:

    I’ve crossed that threshold Grey, normal vs what ever it is. My break from the Taylor hustle and bustle, self-imposed, as well as a certain other interest
    😉 helped redirect my energies at least for now. Of course that could always change again.

    Now I’m not crazy about the theatre deal but right now, I really don’t care. I have missed being here. XXX’s.

  61. That’s pretty funny about Soulaz, IAG . . . there’s a communications company in Portugal called Soulaz. I wonder if it’s their site?

    And as for the continuing nagging feeling of being more invested than you’d like to be? For me, I think it’s a combination of habit and nostalgia.

    Say what you will about Taylor today, but his ride on AI and the first year after were heady times, for sure. I had a whole hell of a lot of fun with it all. And who ever wants the fun to end?

  62. spinshack Says:

    That’s my feelings on this as well, Soulaz.

    The nostalgia, the difficulty in saying good bye to anyone or seeing endings. I have issues with both.

  63. Well, Spin..I was wondering where in the hell you went to..glad to see you back. 🙂

  64. JumpedtheShark Says:

    Good post SS. In reality SMB didn’t break down the barriers of country music, it fizzled and died. Sadly, I dunno doesn’t look for our guy. I loved the song, but it wasn’t the breath through single we had hoped for.

    Will we all hang on for another album? It’s hard to tell. I’m just tired and don’t know how long I can hang on. Yes, I’ve said that before, but I’m just really frustrated with all this. And I’m tired. *yawns*

  65. JumpedtheShark Says:

    break through single sorry

  66. so…let me get this straight …what some are really interested in is Taylor Hicks the STAR!!! not Taylor Hicks the musician. I think I have been getting the wrong message somewhere on this blog. Why can;t we be fans that just enjoy the songs he puts out and skip the ones we don’t. Maybe he will have a “breakout hit” someday ,but he if he does or doesn’t will never make me question why I’m his fan, I loved his voice from the first note of Change is Gonna and I love it now. I don’t need cd sales to validate my beibg his fan… at least 70% of what I hear on The Distance , Early Works and Taylor Hicks cd is validation enough for me.

  67. This is all sad for me given I’m a big fan of Tay’s voice, music knowledge, talent, style, performance and drive. I was just going to bite my tongue beginning with Grey’s America Got It Wrong blog. I couldn’t do it on that blog and so far on this thread, I have only jumped in to say both Adam and Tay are ballsy. It would be great if no more of Taylor’s fans left, well great for him and better yet if he gained many more fans. Some of you poke fun of Hicks, Walmart Cd signings, his 2 year Grease Teen Angel thing and even some of the things he says in interviews, or the way he says them. Heaven knows what some of you would say, had he not only lost and kept off a lot of weight, a very hard thing to do–takes ballsiness, courage and sacrifice, but had gained weight post AI. Since Adam did not win AI8, the bloggers are out in force and the Kris will be another TH mantra. Taylor Hicks, in my opinion, has a unique voice, a very pleasant one, a strong voice, and a pretty good range. In this day and age he has a delivery of any song that is way above par. In a club or concert setting, he lets loose and does his thing and I so enjoy that. For whatever reason, once he won AI or even when he made the top 3, I just got into the guy, the person behind the voice, the love of music, his knowledge of music and his dedication to all of that. His performance style and even his look played a part in that. So being someone who’d look better loosing 25lbs, and being someone who is not as hardworking, dedicated talented or most likely even as interesting or as worthy of fame as is Tay, I’m hanging around. He has given me joy/fun and enriched my music. For any of you who still don’t get it, This is his life and choices. Eight times a week he does his role in Grease, gets applause, instant gratification, and good press and is center stage and sings BSD, better than anyone else. Then he is featured singing his latest single from his own label CD to mor applause. He sells some and meets fans afterwards. He goes on radio and TV to promote himself, the show, his CD and answers questions. What is it that some of you do not understand about him believing he has a voice he wants heard? Please explain as I still do not understand….

  68. Snowstorm Says:

    “so…let me get this straight …what some are really interested in is Taylor Hicks the STAR!!! not Taylor Hicks the musician.”

    If Taylor doesn’t do anything, there’s nothing to be a fan of. I wish the guy the very best, but we must be realistic… Taylor has not caught on with the general public. Those of you who think that Taylor has a huge fanbase are deluding yourselves. I don’t know what the answer is except Taylor needs radio play. He needs someone in the industry to be in his corner to push his music.

  69. I will remain a fan of Taylors because I love his music plus I happen to love musicals too. He has a distinct voice, and that is what I am interested in. The market is saturated with singers, and they are all by and large sounding too much the same. And I am a pretty tough woman, if I quit being a fan of his, the AI the machine wins. They tried to destroy him and I am not going to fall for their bull crap. Of course, I am the kind of person that when I have a friend, I am a friend for life. I don’t know, maybe I’m just weird. Have a good weekend everyone.

  70. casualfan Says:

    I know it is frustrating rosie by not understanding why some of us “poke fun” at Taylor It’s equally frustrating to me that some folks have the mind set that he does no wrong. I doubt anyone here hates Taylor but some of us are just frustrated with the way things have been going and we have been given a place to vent our feelings. We ALL want Taylor’s voice heard and it adds to the frustration that he’s not being heard as he should.

    Regarding Taylor being the best at BSD-Frankie Avalon has that title. 😉

  71. cf…I doubt that ANYone has the mind set that Taylor does no wrong…as mature adults we know that no one is without faults. I don’t understand why some fans are so frustrated with the way things have been going…my question…How things are going for WHOM….you or Taylor? Taylor is working…pulling in a paycheck keeping his name out there. And getting positive reviews for Grease. Do his fans really feel he has betrayed them by doing musical theatre …and oh… they don’t like musical theatre(booohooo). so Taylor sold out by doing it…give me a break! Let the guy handle his own career….its paying the bills.
    The radio stations are not jumping at the chance to play Taylor no matter how hard he works at doing the rounds..if his fans think their frustrated..think how the hell he feels and cut him some slack.. His voice is not being heard..but it sure as hell isn’t because HE”S not trying to get it out there. He has the press to “poke fun” at him as his fan my position is to support him. Buy the music I like… go to the concerts ( haven’t been to one yet I haven’t enjoyed) Went to see GRease..the show was entertaining ,Taylor was great..IMO his BSD is better then Frankie..more life it it) Been there ..done that but don’t feel the need to bash him for it.
    I save the frustration in my life for things I can do something about in my own life…Taylor”s music helps my frustations doesn’t add to them

  72. Anne and Rosie . . . I think you are missing a very significant part of the feelings we are expressing about Taylor Hicks. I can’t speak for everyone, though I think my feelings are very similar to many Taylor fans.

    I am not a fan of the “STAR” as evidenced by my lack of interest in how much money he makes. I am a fan of music, always have been, always will be. Taylor was phenomenal on AI, and his pre-Idol music really sold me on what a gifted artist he is. I just have not enjoyed his post-idol music all that much. But, even feeling that way, I stuck around, waiting for his “next thing” in the belief that it would be a good thing.

    But his “next thing” turned out to be Grease, musical theater, which I believe he is now committed to through 2010. And THAT thing simply does not interest me.

    I have no obligation to support Taylor Hicks any more than I want to. I have purchased all his music, done quite a bit of travel to see him in concert, and spent money on his book and other merchandise. I have done my part to support this guy, honest to God.

    The simple fact is that I am NOT a music theater fan, and if this is the current direction that Taylor is taking his career, I am just not all that interested in spending more of my precious dollars to support it.

    He has the right to do what he wants, and I am pulling for him to have success and happiness and all good things. If he puts out new music again, someday, I will probably buy it and hope that I like it. But in the meantime, I will not become a Grease fan, just because Taylor is in it.

    Maybe some fans think that someone like me should just go away and never return. But you know what? I kind of enjoy the discussion here about Taylor Hicks, and about other music and what not. I don’t post all that often, but when I have something to say, I am glad that I have a place to say it.

    Never once, in my many, many posts over the past three years, have I EVER suggested that what you, or anyone else, feels is wrong. I am entitled to the same courtesy.

  73. A little different angle here: I believe Simon Cowel has done -and continues to do – his job well, of criticizing and belittling Taylor Hicks in the media. Some people blow it off but I tell you he has been VERY effective in instilling this idea in the public of TH being a “looser” or the “worst idol.” My sister, who is a lukewarm Taylor fan but knows I’m a big fan, brought up Simon’s latest barb when we chatted last night. It’s seems he is already starting to denigrate Kris Allen, and once again, he said in a very public forum, that TH is the “worst” idol. I think Taylor really ought to start telling him to bit his ass or just F–off! Show some of those balls Rosie is so fond of, Mr.Hicks! I’m personally sick of that asshole Simon. I wish he would go back to the UK and never come back. Taylor just keeps taking it. After this latest I wish he would start fighting back.

    I think my sister is finally starting to see that even her own perceptions have been influenced by this stuff. She never really believed me that Taylor has been bad-mouthed, but now she is seeing it for herself.

  74. Oh, and when I mentioned to sister how TH has never rejoined Simon for all his bad-mouthing, sis said “He probably knows it wouldn’t do any good.” Makes me so PO’d.

  75. spinshack Says:

    “Well, Spin..I was wondering where in the hell you went to..glad to see you back.”

    I’ve been on ‘sabbatical’ chasing a fabled ‘unicorn’. It’s been quite a little adventure. He’s lovely, mystical and quite elusive but when captured well worth the effort. Thing is – real life – does it have any place for a unicorn? THAT is the question.

    Oh, and I’ve been writing. On my project – I’ve this muse who’s been feeding the juice so well. Sadly that muse and that unicorn are one in the same.

    How’s that for wandering completely OFF TOPIC. *grins*

  76. Soulaz, if you do not like theater, (musicals), that’s cool. You can’t force a person to enjoy something they don’t feel in their heart. I feel like Taylor is fighting so hard for his career right now, and I do like theater, that I support him. So some fans will do their thing, others will do theirs, all okay.

    When I think back when Taylor won idol, I am just amazed. Amazed at how the public let themselves get brainwashed by that evil little Simon.
    Amazed how the media jumped on the bandwagon to get Simons message out. Amazed how some of his fans turned their back on him.
    If Taylor tried to fight back the media would even get nastier. It’s a no win situation for him. I think this is serious folks, if he doesn’t get some well know people on his side, we may lose him.

  77. sorry, that’s well known people like a celebrity that the public would look up to. To clarify my statement about losing him, if Simon and the media keeps breaking down Taylor, he may end up not being able to get another broadway part. After what I have seen in the last couple years, nothing would surprise me.

  78. oliver, Hopefully he will be able to get other Broadway roles, and since the economy is in the dumps, he is better off for now touring with Grease and singing his singles there and the shadow tours. By the end of 2010 the economy may be much improved and Broadway will want him. Simon is an arrogant ass who always needs to have the last word. Guess I’m most worried about how he will come up with the money for a third CD and attract a producer and good song writers and musicians, should The Distance fail to sell well.

  79. Soulaz…I don’t think I was getting the wrong message at all. My only question and it was a question…why only one part of Taylor’s career ( an I’m sure if he had not had the AI dogs bititng his ass all the time and making it diffucult for him to get radio play to further his music he wouldn’t have done Grease..JMO) would diminish your interest in him? I absolutely hated Elvis’s movies but loved his voice and remain to this day a big fan. The movies being just a part of who he was as an entertainer Grease being a small part of what Taylor is as an entertainer. They all do what they have to do to keep in the public eye Let’s just hope for the best for Taylor , as I’m sure we all do.

  80. casualfan Says:

    Nils Says:

    May 24, 2009 at 11:11 am
    A little different angle here: I believe Simon Cowel has done -and continues to do – his job well, of criticizing and belittling Taylor Hicks in the media. Some people blow it off but I tell you he has been VERY effective in instilling this idea in the public of TH being a “looser” or the “worst idol.” My sister, who is a lukewarm Taylor fan but knows I’m a big fan, brought up Simon’s latest barb when we chatted last night. It’s seems he is already starting to denigrate Kris Allen, and once again, he said in a very public forum, that TH is the “worst” idol. I think Taylor really ought to start telling him to bit his ass or just F–off! Show some of those balls Rosie is so fond of, Mr.Hicks! I’m personally sick of that asshole Simon. I wish he would go back to the UK and never come back. Taylor just keeps taking it. After this latest I wish he would start fighting back.

    I think my sister is finally starting to see that even her own perceptions have been influenced by this stuff. She never really believed me that Taylor has been bad-mouthed, but now she is seeing it for herself.
    ==========================================
    I’m surprised that Simon hasn’t found himself on the receiving end of a defamatory suit. His mouth is over-riding his common sense these days. For him to speak bad of Kris-especially so soon after the win is down right pathetic.

  81. NolaMar Says:

    CF, maybe he just doesn’t care any more because rumor has it that he’s not coming back? I hope it’s true!

  82. Christa Says:

    With all the crap that Simon’s always thrown at him, I’m surprised Taylor’s never mouthed back. I think it’s time he starts saying something back.

  83. Christa, the media has been unmerciful and so mean spirited to him, he may be leary of mouthing back to them. Actually, the media might be just gleeful if he tried to call them out. It is possible they would go for the kill, (try to destroy him even more). Man, even when Taylor does something good they take a negative spin on it. Even when he did such an excellent job on smb on AI, it was really hard for the majority of them to compliment him. Remember (the grinning Taylor returns to AI), that was really big of them, wasn’t it. Geez

  84. spinshack Says:

    There isn’t really much Mr. Hicks can do regarding the media insults nor the issue with Cowell. It is what it is.

    So, I’ve been out of the loop; Simon’s now picking on Kris? Isn’t that interesting. Might be more of what Henry8 said earlier. You know, controversy can fuel interest, outrage fuels response and that response often parlays into sales – to show support, of course. I’m not buying into any of it.

  85. To clarify my statement about losing him, if Simon and the media keeps breaking down Taylor, he may end up not being able to get another broadway part. After what I have seen in the last couple years, nothing would surprise me.

    I hope he doesn’t get another Broadway part. Just delays the music, in my opinion.

  86. casualfan Says:

    Christa Says:

    May 24, 2009 at 4:09 pm
    With all the crap that Simon’s always thrown at him, I’m surprised Taylor’s never mouthed back. I think it’s time he starts saying something back.
    ==============================================
    Taylor will never say anything back to Simon…at least not in public although I’m sure he’s got plenty of choice words about him in private. Ever notice how Taylor starts grinding his teeth at the mention of Simon? Too funny…

  87. casualfan Says:

    itsallgrey Says:

    May 24, 2009 at 5:00 pm
    To clarify my statement about losing him, if Simon and the media keeps breaking down Taylor, he may end up not being able to get another broadway part. After what I have seen in the last couple years, nothing would surprise me.

    I hope he doesn’t get another Broadway part. Just delays the music, in my opinion.
    ===============================================
    Never know…maybe T will pop up in “Jersey Boys”. I can see him doing that easily.

  88. casualfan Says:

    NolaMar Says:

    May 24, 2009 at 3:35 pm
    CF, maybe he just doesn’t care any more because rumor has it that he’s not coming back? I hope it’s true!
    ============================================
    True, although I admit to being a fan of Simon’s. I don’t care for some of the rudeness that he has exerted towards Taylor or Kris but I do appreciate him being honest in saying that he only cares about the bottom line. He’s never hidden that fact and that he is only interested in the money and I have to respect him for that.

  89. Christa . . . I totally understand what you’re getting at with the comparison to the Elvis movies. Maybe this analogy will make sense to you.

    I loved Aerosmith in the early to mid 70’s . . . saw them in concert 5 or 6 times. Then they got way too drugged out and the music suffered, and then they went away for a while. Fast forward to 1986, when Run DMC did their remake of Walk This Way. There was a resurgance to their career and they had many huge hits in the coming years.

    But, I did not buy one of those later albums. Was it because I didn’t care about them any more? No . . . it was because I didn’t like the music enough to spend my money on it. I was happy for their success and return to health. I was thrilled to see them receiving respect and love from a new group of fans. But that music just wasn’t for me.

    Fast forward again to 2004, when Aerosmith released Honkin’ on Bobo. From the moment I heard a song from that CD on the radio, I knew that this was music I had to own and I ran out and bought it. I went to see them in concert and was once again blown away by the music.

    Maybe my “relationship with Taylor is like that . . . I’m still a fan, but it’s in a dormant state at the moment? Does that make sense?

    I’m waiting for my Honkin’ on Bobo moment with Taylor . . . 🙂

  90. Oh, and thanks oliver . . . I’m really glad for all of Taylor’s fans who are really loving him in Grease. And I really only wish the best for him in all things.

    I too remember that feeling of absolute exhilaration when he won AI, and that feeling of honest hurt and confusion by the negatives that came out of the AI machine towards him. It just feels so unfair, doesn’t it?

    And I know that I snark on Taylor a lot, but you should hear what I say about my family, seriously . . . and I love my family with all my heart. I was just born with an extra snark gene. My mother can attest to that.

  91. casualfan Says:

    soulaz, I met Steven Tyler in New Orleans back in 92. My husband had a unique sock store in the Riverwalk Mall and Steven and his GF came in and bought half the shop. He was a super, super cool guy who was very cordial to his fans and even gave away some socks he had just purchased. His GF then ran next door to the “It’s all about the White” shop and cleaned them out…both very nice people.

  92. labelle Says:

    YES!I knew it!!!
    Definetly Taylor was the first contestant in Idols breaking out of the norms,surprizing week after week and he didnt compromise himself at all..He had a hard time with Simon,but he won him over at least.Season 6 there was Blake ..Lewis.?Also falling through the red of tradicional popstars and he made it to uprunner.Season 7 there was David Cook,who had the courage to take two legendsongs and flip them completely.Season 8 Adam Lambert showed up and turned upside-down the whole show!And even if he didnt take the title everybody knows who the real winner of season 8 is.American Idol will never be the same after Lambert!!
    Even Ryan seacrest said to Adam on stage :”We came a long way since Taylor Hicks”.
    Good for you,America!!

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