No America, you didn’t get it right…

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As a group, we humans think we’re so above everything else. Most of the time I would agree with that, but there are times when it’s like we haven’t evolved at all. Tonight, I was on the phone, and my seven year old overhead me say that Adam Lambert is gay. She looked at me and said, he is? That’s just gross. I tried to explain to her in seven year old terms that it really is okay, that people are people, no matter what. How did she get this idea? It didn’t come from this household, and it really saddens me. I don’t want my children growing up with that attitude.

So, take her seven year old attitude and expand it. Expand it to hundreds of thousands of people. But then, make sure that the people who don’t have that attitude allow others to have it. I mean, this is America, and there is freedom of speech, right? So, we allow the attitude to exist, thereby ensuring that heterosexuals have complete superiority over homosexuals. Being homosexual completely defines a person, right? It doesn’t matter if they are policeman, lawyers, doctors, artists, cashiers, or construction workers. It doesn’t matter if they are soldiers who are risking their lives to fight a pointless war. All that matters is that they are prewired to like the same sex. Wow. I’m sure that’s how heterosexuals define themselves. That’s how it should be. It doesn’t matter if you are mothers, fathers, bankers, or librarians, when a heterosexual talks about themselves, it’s always about who they’re in love with, who they’re having sex with, or who they are lusting after.

Wait.

It’s not?

Then why do we define homosexuals by their sexuality?

I’ve made it no secret that I liked Adam in this season’s American Idol. He finally made it exciting again. He took that stage, and I never knew what he was going to do with a song. To some degree, that was what drew me to Taylor Hicks. It’s just that Adam’s showmanship is on a completely different level than any contestant on American Idol, this or any season. Tonight, I was pretty confident that Adam was going to take the title. He’s been the “one” since the beginning. He’s taken America by storm, changing up classic songs, making the lyrics feel like he was writing them with his own blood, sweat and tears, straight from his soul. But, lo and behold, it didn’t happen tonight. Why? We’ll never know for sure, but since his sexuality has been at the forefront this season, I bet that had something to do with it. And that is sad. Not just for Adam, but for this country as a whole.

You can dislike Adam Lambert because he’s a glamboy. You can dislike him because he’s a rocker. Hell, you can even dislike him because he screams. But to dislike him for who he loves? That is pathetic, and really more telling of your character than his. Judging him because he’s gay is like judging him for being white, or for being a man, or for being tall. He was born with those traits, just as he was born with the homosexual trait.

So, tonight, America failed Adam Lambert and America failed the homosexual community. Because tonight was more of a fight for freedom than it was a fight for a recording contract. Tonight could have been America’s stand against bigotry and hatred, but instead, we’re left with the same, safe way. This was bigger than a singing competition. This was about acceptance, and we failed.

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190 Responses to “No America, you didn’t get it right…”

  1. Thank you. Exactly what I’m feeling right now and you put it into words so eloquently.

    For a show that’s supposed to judge singing talent, none of those other factors should matter anyway. Certainly not sexuality, but even genre, clothing style or anything else. It should be purely about who is the better singer, performer, who interprets songs the most artistically and emotionally connects with the material. In this case, it was very, very clear who that person was. Which stood out as a decent singer and which stood out as a superstar.

    I don’t think I’m overly biased, because I really do love every genre of music and can appreciate almost all of it. But last night? It was like watching a donkey compete with a racehorse. A donkey is great for what he is and his own capabilities, but he can’t possibly measure up to a thoroughbred either. Doesn’t make one better than the other, per se, it’s just a case of being in entirely different leagues.

    I really hate to think that it was ultimately Adam’s sexuality that took away a victory he so obviously deserved. But I know enough about this country, the abundant hate and bigotry that still exists, to realize that the scales would probably have been balanced very differently if he had been heterosexual.

    It’s just so sad. However, when someone truly does have that much talent and star quality, whether or not they win a reality show is in no way going to prevent them from having a successful career. Adam can now go on to concentrate on his target audience, which is already massive either way, and won’t have to worry about trying to appeal to those who discriminate against or misunderstand him to come out on top.

    I’m sure that’ll be a relief for him in the long run.

  2. NolaMar Says:

    “So, tonight, America failed Adam Lambert and America failed the homosexual community.”

    Wow, that’s quite a statement! Should everyone have voted for Adam to support the gay community even when they didn’t like him as much as Kris? Sorry, but I find a lot of what was written above to be very insulting. But I’m not surprised – I knew if Adam didn’t win it would be blamed on bias. I’m sure it played a part (sadly,) but I don’t believe as much as you are making it out to be. Otherwise he would never have made it to the top 2. I voted for Adam when I felt he was good, but stopped when he started to sound monotonous and did the same screeching scream in every song. He also reminded me of an Elvis impersonator at times. Yes, I agree his voice is amazing! But I did not like his performances more than 1/2 the time. Way more than 1/2. I think you were too quick to bring an all-encompassing indictment against everyone who voted for Kris and not Adam.

  3. I agree. I would like to think that the vast majority of voters would have chosen their favorite without consideration of sexual orientation.

    Kris was my choice because while I think Adam will be a bigtime star, I would buy an album of Kris’ music . Adam is a show-stopper and a great one but a whole album of “blow ’em out of the water” music would be a bit much. I hope I’ll see him on Braodway some day.

    There were no losers tonight.

  4. taylorfan06 Says:

    Wow, bravo to you iag. You summed up my thoughts in a nutshell.
    Thank you for being so enlightened.

    When will middle America “get” it? People are people. I do believe the religious right are a bunch of bullies that helped lead to tonight’s outcome. Ditto for Prop 8. Even Kris said that Adam should have won. He will be a star but that doesn’t make this issue any less important.

    The hypocrisy that exist in the world today in regard to sexuality is so unbelievable. Many so called “straight” people are not what they seem.
    Many masks are being worn by these people, but I believe that the truth always comes out (pun intended).

    Wake up middle American and you holier than thou types and get over your self righteous selves. You disgust me and I think you disgust God also. Let’s just love one another.

    To quote one of my favorite singers, Mr. Taylor Hicks, “The distance between us will fade”.
    God, I hope so.

  5. taylorfan06 Says:

    This whole issue is not about supporting homosexuality, it’s about supporting humanity. Those who disagree should look into that concept. Judge not lest ye be judged.

  6. For anyone who believes Adam fans are being sore losers by suggesting that homophobia very likely played some notable part in the results, I’d just like to point out one thing.

    Take a look at any general site where he’s being discussed in any way. I’m not talking about his fan sites or even blogs like this one. I’m saying take a look at news articles, YouTube videos, pretty much any major website. Look at all of the people criticizing Adam and how many of them bring up his sexuality as the central issue, quite a few being very, very nasty about it.

    Those of us who have been very intimate with all of these resources, who have been fans throughout the season, has been exposed to a constant stream of disgusting bigotry. Not just on the Internet either. I know quite a few fans who have dealt with some pretty awful gay bashing in real life from the moment they stated their preference.

    Yes, he got a long way based on raw talent. Yes, he wasn’t completely held back by homophobia But in the end, not believing that discrimination could have been enough of a factor to affect the final margin determining whether he won or didn’t in a negative way? That’s unrealistic, considering the backlash against him that has been obvious from the start.

    Quite simply, Kris lost votes from people who didn’t like his music. Adam lost votes from people who didn’t like his music OR discriminated against him because he was homosexual. No matter which way you cut it, he went into this in a very definite disadvantage. One shouldn’t have existed in the first place, which is the real point here. Doesn’t matter if he lost 50 votes over being gay or 5 million. It’s just a real shame it happens at all and that anyone would even have to wonder whether or not he lost based on his sexual orientation.

  7. mamaforpeace Says:

    It’s so sad that we even have to discuss this and wonder if it was a factor in Adam loosing! You’d think we would have outgrown these prejudices by now. Kris is a sweet, cute man with a nice voice, but IMO not much originality. Adam on the other hand may have the look of an Elvis, but he reminded me of another amazing talent, Freddie Mercury. I think it was fitting that Queen was the final number.

  8. I don’t doubt that bigotry played some part in the way some people voted, but to say that it was the reason he lost is a giant leap. I didn’t vote for him, but it had nothing to do with his sexual orientation. Couldn’t care less who he does or doesn’t have sex with. Maybe he lost because Kris’ fans got through with more votes. Or not. No one will ever really know. Its unfair to Kris to assume something for which you have no proof. Opinions aren’t facts. America didn’t fail Adam Lambert or itself, he lost a talent competition because he got fewer votes. It wasn’t a fight for freedom. Are there some people who cast their votes out of ignorance and stupidity? Yes. Did they tilt the result? We’ll never really know the answer to that. Don’t make it into something it was not.

  9. JumpedtheShark Says:

    WoW, this blog saddens me. Why do we assume Adam lost because he’s gay??? Good Grief! Has anybody thought maybe Kris won because he just had more fans?

  10. JumpedtheShark Says:

    And the media says Miss California lost the Miss USA pageant because she disagreed with homosexuality. Kinda the opposite of this blog don’t ya think?

    And yes it looks like Adam fans are going to cry “unfairness due to sexuality”. I feel more sorry for Kris at this point.

  11. hicksaholic Says:

    I think homophobia did play a factor in Adam’s loss. Bill O’Reilly had two segments discussing the Christian guy versus the maybe gay guy. Danny Gokey’s pastor supposedly sent out a twitter to all the Danny fans telling them to vote for Kris because we needed someone to represent(Christianity). A lot of the stuff has come up in the last week when it looked like Adam was cruising to victory. It’s a shame- both Adam and Kris seem to be fine people, above all the nasty inferences and discussion but I don’t believe all the voters were. It would be interesting to hear if any Christian(?) pastors cover it in their sermons this week.

  12. I think it is insulting to Kris to assume he won only because Adam maybe gay. At the beginning of this season I loved Adam and thought Kris would go home at anytime…however as the weeks progressed I could see that Kris was improving and stepping it up, while Adam stayed exactly the same. I found his performances would all start of great and end in the same screeching . Then when the judges started handing him the title weeks ago (and I know it wasn’t Adam’s fault) that really turned me off. Last straw Katy what’s her name with his name on her cape ..so NOT cool. A slap in the face of the other two contestants and AI allowed it. I have read just as much about this kind of favourtism turning people off of Adam as the sexuallity thing.
    I feel sorry for Kris on the final night of competition the judges spoke to him with that “thanks for coming out” tone and pretty much declared Adam the winner,, to the point that Kris could not enjoy his winning moment because he felt he didn’t deserve it. He will now and forever here “America got it wrong in season *” just like Taylor has heard since his win.
    Good luck to both of them. BOTH are talented and I don’t think either will set the recording world on fire.

  13. jerseyirish Says:

    Wow, can’t believe that you think his sexual preference had anything to do with it. I honestly don’t think Adam would have gone as far in the competition had his homosexuality been an issue. When I watched Tues show the audience reaction to Kris was stronger than Adam’s, I was pretty sure Kris was going to take the win. I think what America saw and voted was a “trained talent” versus a “natural talent” in the end the natural talent won. Kris was the quiet underdog throughout, he was steady in all of his performances, America kept him going til the end.

    I think we all try to teach our children tolerance, unfortunately its not what they here in the home, its what they gather from school/friends. As parents we just have to reinforce our stand on tolereance for all.

    JI

  14. If you can’t believe that Adam’s sexuality had nothing to do with his loss, then I wonder if some people are living in a bubble. The midwest and southern part of this country has a reputation, whether it be true or not, that most believe homosexuality is a sin. That’s not an opinion, that’s the real world.

  15. I sometimes think that people aren’t so enlightened in the Northeast either. The prejudice is just more subtle, but it’s there.

  16. Badfantoo Says:

    So how many votes did Kris lose because he’s Christian? Even if it was only 50, it’s wrong.

  17. charcoal Says:

    California votes to ban gay marriage (Nov 8th)
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06ballot.html

    Iowa court voids Gay Marriage Ban (April 4th, 2009
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/us/04iowa.html

    Last time I checked Iowa was in the Midwest and California was on the west coast.

    Of course Adam’s sexuality (which he has never stated) had something to do with his loss – perhaps other folks voted for him because of it. Maybe the “anti-hair-mousse” crowd had a hand in things. Perhaps the “please I can’t stand these high pitched skreechy vocals” folks banded together to get out the vote. Who knows. One of the major problems this country has to come to terms with is the tendency to label things as “single issue politics”.

    Luckily, I haven’t watched even a minute of AI this year so I get all my news from osmosis.

  18. Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach: decorated U.S. Air Force fighter pilot; served in both the Iraq and Afghanistan theaters, winning 9 medals including one for heroism; just two years away from retiring with a full pension. Estimates the U.S. military spent roughly $25 million training him over his 18 years of unblemished service.

    Fired for coming out.

    U.S. Army Lieutenant Daniel Choi. Lieutenant Coi: West Point grad. Iraq combat veteran; Arabic language specialist,

    Fired for coming out.

    Over the past 15 years, “don‘t ask, don‘t tell” has led to the dismissal of around 12,500 members of the United States armed forces.

    American Idol? Pffft. How about national security, taxpayer dollars, supporting the troops, and human rights?

  19. Kris will now carry the stigma of did he win on his own merit or did he win simply because of “The Gokey Factor?” Did the Gokey fans vote for Kris because they were voting against Adam?

    Personally, I don’t think Kris has the charisma to carry the A.I. tour.

    He already admitted the win should have been Adam’s. If he doesn’t believe in himself.. why should anyone else?

  20. charcoal Says:

    Plus, we all know that a group of people can band together and carry a contestant over the top. My suspicion is that middle-american-fans-of-boring-music-that-sounds-like-everything-else actually got together and voted for the person whose music they liked.

    In fact, there’s a precedent for this. We all know that gangs of elderly women colluded to put Taylor Hicks over the top.

  21. Virtual Speak Says:

    The fan wars between the Adam-Kris fans should be fantastic! They’ll make the Hicks-Daughtry thing seem mild.

    One good thing about this win.. Maybe now Taylor won’t be the butt of every A.I. joke and he may possibly give up the title of “worst selling Idol of all time.”

    See! There is a bright side!

    😆

  22. I myself don’t think his sexuality had anything to do with him losing to Kris…I was praying that he lost and he more then likely was as well BECAUSE NOW HE CAN HAVE A FREAKIN AWESOME CAREER with non of the BS attached!!!!! You know I love that AI exists to open doors for artist that just need an exposure avenue, but sorry to say that title haunts you sometime I mean Kelly was the first and to this day still gets AI questions…Adam can have a all he wants on his terms and hey I put 150$ on Kris to win and I am off to the mall to find a fab Glam Rock shirt because I freakin LOVE ADAM LAMBERT!

  23. We all know that gangs of elderly women colluded to put Taylor Hicks over the top.

    …gangs of elderly FAT and IRRELEVANT women, thank you very much.

  24. Here’s a funny story….or maybe not. My son came home from school late last October looking a bit off. I asked what was the matter and he said that McCain won the elementary school election. My son wanted Obama (I wonder why). I probed further and he started crying. Feeling like this was a “teaching moment” I went on about how you can’t always win, keep your chin up…etc. It turns out he was upset that one of the kids father told him that Obama was going to cancel Halloween if he got elected and that he was a real Jerk. I had to control a guffaw and at the same time was so pissed! Apparently this rumor spread all around the school, thus resulting in a win for Mr. McCain. Another example of “single issue politics” (grade school style)!

  25. jerseyirish Says:

    I truley believe that if his being gay would have had the impact earlier on. I had said that in the begining that I thought it may have an effect, but he kept getting stronger and I realized that it didn’t matter that he was gay, I know folks can be very closed minded about such issues. Folks were voting for him becasue he was talented. Kris was the steady quiet one who just enjoyed being there. It may be that there are parts of the country that have a problem with his sexuality, if that is the case it didn’t show until the very end, and that is sad. I really don’t think Adam coming in second is going to hurt him, I think we may see another Taylor/Chris thing. I think they are going to promote Adam no matter what, he was their choice to win, they made that very clear throughout the competition.

    JI

  26. True, Don’t forget **bedazzled** fat, irrelevant, and old women.

  27. Virtual Speak Says:

    Wow! Where’s SS? Finally the tide has turned for her to come out and remind us all that Taylor’s fans are **bedazzled** fat, irrelevant, and old women.

  28. I just searched Adam on youtube and got 12,300 hits.
    Searched Kris and got 4,690.
    Yup, everyone was “talking” about Adam.
    Perhaps AI is supposed to be a singing competition, but I think it mostly has amounted to a freak show. Everyone watches at the beginning to see the weirdos, then waits to see who the final 2 or 3 are before making their ultimate decesions (fanbases aside).
    Perhaps AI has run its course. Winning has no guarantees for success, but for a 50 city tour and 1 album.
    Our current Canadian Idol is openly gay, but that didn’t stop the hate mongering from actually happening. Just the other day, for example, I told an old friend of mine that I heard Vin Diesel was gay, and my friend just plainly blurted out that now he “had to hate him”. So don’t feel bad, bigotry is alive & well in other “enlightened” countries as well.
    I hope both young men have excellent careers. I can’t fault Kris for his win but I do certainly believe that Adam had an uphill battle to climb the whole time.
    If Adam’s music career doesn’t make him rich & famous, he can always be a MALE MODEL!
    Have you seen these photos?

  29. I mean the man is beautiful!

  30. I was a Gokey fan until after the first week in Hollywood. Since then, I’ve been an Adam fan. I think Kris won for several reasons. AT & T says Arkansas cast 39 of the 100 million votes. That seems statistically impossible unless they didn’t clear lines between calls. Do I suspect fraud? I don’t know and I don’t care..just saying it’s weird. Gokey’s votes may have been split, but it’s fair to assume more of them went to Kris since he loves men the RIGHT way…I’m quoting Mr. Gokey there. He’s made it clear how he views Adam’s lifestyle. So happy to have his judgement. We need that. I’m sure Kris sleeps better knowing he’s got Danny’s approval. And then, there’s the sexuality issue and the fact that Adam’s lifestyle isn’t just gay, it’s flamboyantly so. I know that. I know he’s flaunted it in pictures and performances, but hell. As Randy said he can sing his face off and isn’t that what it’s all about? I guess not. It’s about making sure the country is “safe” for the boring, unimaginative and the fearfully narrow minded among us.

    GREAT.

  31. All Adam has to do is go on Broadway and he will making a killing. He will have a super fantastic career so I’m not worried about him. I can only hope Kris does well.

  32. I heard that Adam wished he hadn’t mentioned his theatrical backgound at all. Perhaps he was hoping to break away from that & become a bona fide rock star.
    While he may indeed have a future on broadway, perhaps that is not the direction he was hoping for.

  33. Stangy I saw that video of Hokey Gokey making the comment of loving men the “right” way. What a shmuck!

  34. Virtual Speak Says:

    This video momo?

    Homophobe Dorkeyby idletard

  35. Bingo VS! He’s the worst kind of fundi!

  36. Christa Says:

    I find it insulting to Kris Allen and his fans to assume that Adam lost because of his orientation. Yes there are people who didn’t like him for that, but I doubt it made a big impact. Adam was the most favored by the powers that be the whole time, but now that he’s lost people are crying rigged. And ‘America got it wrong’ is an objective opinion.
    Kris got the most votes. Period.
    (I sense a Hicks vs. Daughtry fans thing in the future, except worse. Here we go again.)

    Off to school.

  37. Sweetay Says:

    I did not vote for a black president because he was black. I voted for him cause I thought he was the better of the two choices. Color did not enter the equation.

    I did not vote for Kris because he was heterosexual. I voted for him cause I like his music better than Allen’s screaming. Who they sleep with did not enter the equation.

    I hate the way that Kris is being shoved to the side. As if he did nothing to win the thing. He just happened to be standing there when Allen lost. Actually Kris is what American Idol originally was about. A unknown talent steps up and competes… getting stronger week by week… as in Clarkson and Underwood.

    Yes, Allen is more of a stage presence. He was from the beginning and has not changed or improved at all. He acts, he screams, and he really puts on a show. But hell, I not only don’t need it, I don’t want it. Allen is just too loud, too extreme, too everything.

    And sorry, I shouldn’t step in about your kid. But you were the one to put her out here. You are accusing her of something she is not doing. A natural response for a normal kid is to think that sexual feelings for the same sex are icky. If that were not true the human population would have died out a long time ago. She did not express hatred for an individual. I am sure there are many gays who think heterosexual sex is icky. But you don’t see anyone accusing them of hating.

    I think we all really tried to just accept each other, and quit looking at every situation as … they are out to get me.

    BTW.. As a side note… since that is what Kris winning AI has become. I think he will do great now that AI has decided to push him as a new country kid. He really held is own with Keith Urban!

  38. I really don’t know whether the Gay thing was why he didn’t win or not. My 23 yr old daughter was surprised when I mentioned he was Gay she just thought he was Goth. I think Kris might have won because people who would have voted for Adam didn’t . I know for me I only semi watched meaning I channel hopped just to tune into Adam. LOL. After I heard him I went back to what I watching. I didn’t vote because I didn’t care. And I didn’t care because it doesn’t matter who wins the title. In fact, the one who doesn’t win may be better off in the long run. They will both get a record deal so what does it matter? So I guess it’s my fault and others like me who also did not vote.

  39. suze4158 Says:

    Adam will be a rock star.
    He has had the platform for national exposure…and if he wants it, he’ll get it. His performance on the final with Brian Mays convinced me he is ripe for whatever he wants. AND he will have Simon Cowell and 19E firmly behind anything he wants to do.

    As far as angst over the final results? Well….
    I think it is only interesting in an academic sort of way. We all know that winning doesn’t necessarily mean you’re gonna win in the success end of the real music world (although I think Kris will do well…he records great).

    There is something about the results that shows me American Idol is actually tallying votes and that it is a real process, and not something manufactured…or is it? There is always a “surprise” each season. The Gokey send off was a marginal surprise….but having a surprise at the finale has not been seen to this degree, has it?

    I was personally floored by it. I think that Adam can definitely sing his face off, as some have put it, but I altruistically and naively, think that the votes had to do with what folks liked and heard.

    I was mesmerized by Adam most of the season…but he lost me at the end, I am afraid. And they DID NOT do him justice with no total rock out performance for the head on last round with Kris.

    So….I know the blog discussion is about the terrible fact that America is evolutionarily behind because they didn’t pick the gay guy, but I prefer to look at the music and what I personally saw on the performances each time.

    I saw an Adam that gained weight and seemed almost forced in stage delivery toward the end, (its all relative, because he still outsang almost everyone), and a Kris who took things in stride and pulled out some great performances toward the end.

    When the judges asked us all to vote based on the whole season, I think they perhaps saw what I did….
    and if one did THAT, then the vote went to Adam. If one voted based on the head to head…ummm…Kris was good enough to take it and it was a draw.
    The final results, then, were possibly dependent on whether or not folks were comfortable with lifestyle. I say…it is what it is.
    People have the right to do that. That is what voting is about.

    I have the right to not be happy with something more important than an AI vote….the one last November that could take our nation into places that destroy our freedom…and to say so. ’nuff said on that one….

    Cheer up, iag. In the end, Adam will be fine. (reference Daughtry)

  40. And ‘America got it wrong’ is an objective opinion.

    Well, of course it is!! This isn’t an independent news source, where objectivity is the key, this is an individual’s blog. Every post will be fronted with objectivity.

    For me, the point isn’t that “Adam can have a career w/o the 19E BS” or that “he’ll make a killing on Broadway”. The point is that he’s probably the greatest voice to come out of this SINGING competition and yet, he takes second, likely due to pleas and organization from sources such as Gokey’s pastor and the Bill O’Reilly squad.

  41. jerseyirish Says:

    Chirsta, I agree, Kris was a steady silient force throughout. They never do mention weekly who got the most votes for the week, that would be very telling also. I think it is sad that Kris is being pushed aside and the whole Adam losing is taking over his win. Adam was upfront from the begining about who he was and his lifestyle, it was no shock in the end. I said it up earlier I to believe it will be another Taylor/Chris thing that they will promote Adam over Kris. time will tell……

    VS, I think Danny’s comment was uncalled for and just wrong. Adam should be judged on his talent not his lifestyle. How he chooses to live should not have any bearing on anything else, he is still the person he presents himself to be. I always found Adam to be very humble and gracious each week, happy to be there not expecting it.

    JI

  42. suze4158 Says:

    Sweetay, you meant Adam, right? 🙂
    “Yes, Allen is more of a stage presence. He was from the beginning and has not changed or improved at all. He acts, he screams, and he really puts on a show. But hell, I not only don’t need it, I don’t want it. Allen is just too loud, too extreme, too everything.”

  43. ” The point is that he’s probably the greatest voice to come out of this SINGING competition and yet, he takes second, likely due to pleas and organization from sources such as Gokey’s pastor and the Bill O’Reilly squad”
    I second that emotion!

  44. What? Adam gained weight? If he did I never noticed. He needs a rear end tho.

  45. I was going to stay out of this because I simple don’t care one way or the other, but I have to make one point that no one seems to consider.
    I find it very funny that everyone thinks TPTB at Idol wanted Adam to win.
    Yes, they were pimping and promoting but really WHY do they do that.
    They couldn’t care less about who wins, all they want is controversy.
    They want two fan bases pitted againist each other, both out there buying themselves into the poor house to prove to the world that their guy was the real winner.
    They want that money in their pocket, thats all they care about.
    And the public being the gullible fools they are fall for it every time.
    Way to go AI, you got exactly what you wanted.

  46. Snowstorm Says:

    HAHAHA! I knew Kris would win. The same people in the Midwest who voted for Taylor, voted for Kris. All of Gokey’s votes went to Kris!!!

    Kris will struggle to have a recording career! Adam Lambert will easily be the star! Kris is boring as all hell!! HAHAHAHA! Right again!!!!

  47. Snowstorm Says:

    HAHAHA! Kris now has to sing that trainwreck, “No Boundaries”!!!!! Sweet!!!!!!!

  48. Virtual Speak Says:

    YKW said:

    For me, the point isn’t that “Adam can have a career w/o the 19E BS” or that “he’ll make a killing on Broadway”. The point is that he’s probably the greatest voice to come out of this SINGING competition and yet, he takes second, likely due to pleas and organization from sources such as Gokey’s pastor and the Bill O’Reilly squad.

    I absolutely agree. The God Squad saw to it that Adam didn’t get in.

  49. Poke Salad Annie Says:

    Adam Lambert will be fine…Chris is so boring to me I can’t even remember his last name.
    AI indeed got everybody going again. Bottom line…Chris got the most votes.
    That’s it…no mystery. It was a matter of being suited to the intelligence of ordinary people.

  50. Faux News and the fundis are at it again!

  51. Had Obama lost some would have said it was due to his race. Adam lost and some think it was due to him being gay. For me Adam stood out in the beginning as a talent and I hardly noticed Kris. By the last four weeks I really got into Kris and Allison over Gokey’s and Adam’s voices. Who knows how much the same old high note screech factor grated on peoples nerves as it did mine. Adam IMO did not make smart choices as did Taylor. Had he performed No Boundries and A Change Is Going To Come in a more subdued traditional manner, he may have won the thing. Mad World was my favorite performance of his. The last few weeks Kris had some outstanding performances, whereas Adam was doing the same old thing. There are too many other factors to consider to say America got it wrong or is homophobic. I know I’d would like a CD of Kris Allen at his best, but would not spend a dime on an Adam CD. I would see Adam in a heartbeat in a Broadway production.

  52. nuttyknockout Says:

    Adam Lambert was so gracious in defeat, and Kris was humble in victory and I’m just kinda surprised that some people would take his losing to be such a negative thing.

    Adam, although really awesome for the whole competition was getting stagnant, he was just doing the same things over and over again. Even when he ‘changed up’ the song, he either made it faster with pyrotechnics or slower with wails in the middle and soft endings. It was so predictable. I honestly believe that putting such a huge portion of the blame on his sexuality is too large a generalisation. His sexuality may have played a part but I don’t think that it would have affected him so much, after all, he did make it to the top 2, being in the bottom 3 only once!

    Kris is musically gifted, and has the appeal and more connection to the audience than Adam. His range is obviously not as good as Adam’s, but I personally feel that he is alot more genuine when he performs. The judge’s constant pimping of Adam didn’t help him either. It was quite a put-off watching all of them slobber at Adam’s feet week after week and pretty much ignore the rest of the contestants.

    I love both Kris and Adam, and I truly believe that they were both deserving of the title, both contributing to one of the best seasons of AI in a long while.

  53. It is my opinion that the real problem is sterotyping people into groups, such as midwesterners, southerners, red necks, the God Squad, seculars, Jews, Christians, liberals , conservatives, old people, baby boomers, teens, bible belt, Californians etc. and falsely assuming all of those people in such groups may be different from you or I. America’s mistake is sterotyping, and then in this case look how people are using stereotypes to try to explain who won or lost a singing competiton. Snow is off with the old people ragging and now midwesterners, and VS is on the God squad rag and others are saying it has to be homophobia or people just are too dumb to know good talent or are deaf. Why Why Why!

  54. Hey Henry, you are brilliant. You are right on. AI is just loving this, wonder if the folks ever realize how they are being used.

  55. hicksaholic Says:

    You can scan the message boards and see the comments if you llike. One on The Boogie stated she thought Adam was more talented but she was voting for Kris because she thought he was better or nicer guy or something to that effect. She was lamblasted immediately for her comment but for one like her that admits it there are at least a thousand that try to reconcile that it had nothing to do with Adam’s sexual preference.
    One on mj’s from the south(and I live in the deep south so I can attest to at least believing this could have happened) stated that djs were Adam bashing because he was gay and there were mentions in sermons of Adam being gay going against the Christian guy.
    Don’t believe any of it if you want but I believe it’s naive to think there wasn’t a backlash against Adam at the end when it became apparent he may well win that cost him a lot of votes. The reason it didn’t happen sooner IMO is it was not important until the end when the winner was chosen.
    It is really a shame. I believe Kris is a great guy but I bet you in his heart of hearts he knows why he won.
    These are just my opinions based on following the season and a number of the boards on a very routine basis.

  56. casualfan Says:

    Wow! I saw this blog last night, but decided to stand clear of it till I saw which direction it was going.

    I’m one of those who would love to believe that Kris won because of his talent and not because of Adam being gay. If that were the case, then Adam wouldn’t have gotten into the final in the first place. I’m glad Kris did win although Adam was my favorite. Adam already has Artists lined up to work with him and his Star is shining bright-he doesn’t need the crap that seems to go with the title.

    I think Adam already made a powerful statement by getting into the finals and yes…I think a change has already come.

    CONGRATULATIONS to BOTH Adam and Kris on what is the BEST IDOL SEASON FINAL EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  57. http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/popvox/archive/2009/05/20/american-idol-and-the-winner-is.aspx

    4. The Christian factor. Last week, I wrote about how Adam (who hasn’t spoken about his religious beliefs on the show) might be hurt by the fact that he was going up against two devout Christian finalists, Kris and Danny Gokey. Most of Gokey’s fans probably ended up voting for Kris over Adam, giving him the boost he needed to win. You could say—as many of you have in the comments—that religion is an irrelevant criterion for judging a singing competition. But the fact remains that Idol is one of TV’s most family-friendly shows, and it draws a large number of Christian viewers. Five out of seven of the past Idol winners have been very vocal about their Christian faith. Kris Allen had the edge here.

    5. The gay factor. Adam Lambert hasn’t talked about his sexuality publicly, but TV Guide reported that he was “openly gay,” Perez Hilton reported on his (alleged) boyfriend and there are photos circulating online of someone who looks like him kissing another guy. This shouldn’t be an issue in 2009. But if you’ve read any of online chatter about Idol this year, you know that sadly, there’s still plenty of hate out there. Adam has millions of fans, and it looked like he could strike an emphatic blow against homophobia, much the same way that Obama broke through the race barrier when he became the country’s first black president. But his ambiguous sexuality still cost Adam votes.

  58. charcoal Says:

    There you go, it’s on a blog so it’s true.

  59. suze4158 Says:

    The rest of that article brings up the youth vote (swooning teen girls) and uniqueness in song choice…
    great additional points on why Kris may have won.

  60. I wonder who they’re counting in this number.

    Five out of seven of the past Idol winners have been very vocal about their Christian faith.

  61. charcoal Says:

    Well, Chris D is one.

  62. hicksaholic Says:

    charcoal’s on a roll.

  63. This is such bullshit. If America hated Adam because he’s gay, then how the hell did he make it all the way to the final 2? Answer that first and then maybe I’ll listen to the other arguments.

  64. blueberry Says:

    I think Adam made it to the final 2 because he is uber talented and, if you believe the anecdotal stories about groups voting in mass against him, they did not have to until the final 2 when there was a chance he could walk away with the whole thing. As a nonAI follower, most of the information I heard this year on various media outlets was regarding Adams sexuality and the impact of a fourth judge. So, who knows? But the implication is sad.

  65. I don’t think we deserve being lectured to when you really don’t know why people voted the way they did. I also expected Adam to win…..the judges had even kissed Kris off by what they said and how they acted towards him. They were orgasmic over Adam. I actually felt sorry for Kris and threw him a few votes thinking it was going to be a landslide vote for Adam. BTW, I will tell you that I voted for both Adam and Kris and each time I dialed I got right through to vote….never having a busy signal. I don’t believe that 100 million people voted because of how freed up the phone lines were. But for you to insult people’s intelligence because they voted differently from the person you chose to win makes you just as bad as the Daughtry fans who begrudged Taylor his win in Season 5. America voted and that’s the way the game is played…..whoever wins, wins. You might want to teach your seven year old that ‘the majority rules’. At least we know that American Idol isn’t fixed and that no one can ever accuse Taylor or Kris for being the “judges’ favorite” as an excuse for them winning. I feel that Kris will have the same rough career path that Taylor is experiencing BECAUSE they both won and both weren’t Simon’s chosen favorites.

  66. charcoal Says:

    How do you vote against someone on AI? I didn’t know they published the “against” numbers.

    Wait – I picture hordes of angry fundamentalists dialing the number for the other guy because “I don’t like him, but damn it if some fruitcake is going to be MY AMERICAN IDOL!!!!” (note: Fruitcake is my father’s old school word).

    What do I really think? I think the musical tastes of AI watchers is, on average, boring. So – they voted for the boring contestant. Bingo, done.

  67. I really don’t think he lost because people are homophobic. He made it to the finals. He beat out all the straight contestants so there can’t be that much homophobia going on if he got that far. If Adam lost votes for being gay, Kris lost votes for not being gay. Kris would also lose votes for for being Christian since the Jews and the Muslims would vote for Adam. It could go on and on. I think Kris Allen was the underdog and people love to see the underdog win. It’s the same reason Katharine McPhee didn’t win and Taylor did.

  68. But for you to insult people’s intelligence because they voted differently from the person you chose to win makes you just as bad as the Daughtry fans who begrudged Taylor his win in Season 5.

    I don’t recall insulting anybody’s intelligence and this doesn’t have anything to do with a ridiculous fan war between people who don’t have enough to do. This is just a symptom of a bigger problem.

  69. blueberry Says:

    Ah Charcoal, you got me there. My verbiage was not clear – what I read and heard was that yes, indeed, voting for the “other” guy is voting against someone (but only in certain circumstances and I don’t know what those circumstances are nor do I care to know!)

    Totally agree with your last comment!

  70. I find it very funny that everyone thinks TPTB at Idol wanted Adam to win.
    Yes, they were pimping and promoting but really WHY do they do that.
    They couldn’t care less about who wins, all they want is controversy.
    They want two fan bases pitted againist each other, both out there buying themselves into the poor house to prove to the world that their guy was the real winner.
    They want that money in their pocket, thats all they care about.
    And the public being the gullible fools they are fall for it every time.
    Way to go AI, you got exactly what you wanted.

    Huh? Henry8 your theory is a great example of people needing to get out of the online fishbowl they live in. The fans that take part in fan wars are a TINY percentage of freaks that are online. No one else cares. If you go to an Idol concert there’s just a few fans from online fan sites. The rest are just regular ol’ people that watched the show and voted. Why would TPTB care about the few crazies online and their nonstop fighting? Who even has time to read that crap other than the few crazies online reading that crap? It was clear they were pushing for Adam because he puts on a hell of a show. Why wouldn’t they display him? He’s AWESOME. He’s pulling in viewers and is fun as hell to watch. These TPTB conspiracies are so out of hand.

  71. I think Kris Allen was the underdog and people love to see the underdog win. It’s the same reason Katharine McPhee didn’t win and Taylor did.

    That’s an interesting perception, blue. See, I would have thought viewers saw McPhee as the underdog. Mr. Hicks fronted a band for a decade, played all over the Southeast, sang the National Anthem at national sporting events, etc. Ms. McPhee had some local exposure, but not nearly as much as Mr. Hicks, yet he was perceived as the “underdog”.

    Perception is truly in the context of the observor.

  72. JumpedtheShark Says:

    I’m just shocked at the direction of this blog. I’m a Christian and proud of it. I don’t agree in homosexuality. I’m not comfortable with my kids watching same sex kisses, relationships on tv. But to say Adam lost because of being gay is ludicrous. As I said earlier, the media is saying Miss California lost the Miss USA pageant because she’s anti-same sex marriage. What is the difference?

    iag, I love the blog and your thoughts and posters thoughts on Taylor. It’s been a breath of fresh air, away from the TMS and other fansite garbage. However, Adora’s posts remind me why I left Taylor fandom. I guess I needed that wakeup call. Adios amigos!!!

  73. YKW, Katharine McPhee was the privileged beauty from LA with parents in the biz. How would anyone see her as the underdog? Before Taylor won Idol I don’t think he was singing national anthems anywhere.

  74. JTS, I’m sorry that you’re offended, but honestly that’s what this blog is about: discussion. I’m sorry if you feel you have to leave the Taylor fandom, but I’m sure you’ll have lots of people leaving with you…and it doesn’t have one damn thing to do with this blog.

  75. charcoal said: “What do I really think? I think the musical tastes of AI watchers is, on average, boring. So – they voted for the boring contestant. Bingo, done.”

    Season 5?

  76. He sang at the NASCAR Talladega race, that’s what I was referring to, blue. Good points on McPhee. I had forgotten about the biz connections. Didn’t dear old Dad work for Fox at one point, too?

  77. taylorfan06 Says:

    jts – homosexuality is a fact of life. I know many gay people and enjoy their company more than some of my straight friends. Fact is that one of your kids may turn out being gay. It’s a proven biological fact that gays ARE born that way. Embrace the diversity of life and just enjoy an learn from people of all orientations. We become so programmed in life to judge others which brings ignorance and hate. People are people and we’re all in this together. Many so called christians aren’t about love. They think they’re doing god’s work by trying to change them which only brings feeling of inferiority and suicide. I have seen examples of this in my life and it’s a terrible. Broaden your horizons and open your heart to everyone. I find much heterosexual behavior to be more appalling than gay behavior. I know that gays should be just as valued as straights. Get off your high horse with your small minded views.

  78. I do think there are more people who call themselves Christians in this country than any other religion or non religion group. Most Christians do not believe homosexuality is a sin. Some fundamentalists do but how many of those would refuse to vote for a gay person they think is the most talented? Anyone have the figure? How many Gay people would vote for Adam even if they enjoyed Kris music style and voice the most? Since we don’t know why or how can you say Adam lost because he is gay? That is like saying Kris only won because he was VFTW pick. All I can say is I thought Kris was a better musician and enjoyed his type of music more, he grew on me over the season. While acknowledging Adam had a great high note range and finding him entertaining, he lost favor with me by the end with his using the high long screech 85% of the time. I can only speak for myself and do not think it is wise for those who loved Adam’s talent, voted for him and wanted him to win, to now go around blaming groups of people for why he didn’t win. By whining about so called ignorant or imperfect Americans you may come off as eliteist or lame. I hope for both Adam’s and Kris’s sake this doesn’t follow them 3 yrs down the road. They seem like two very nice people who out of 100,000 people, ended up in the top 2.

  79. jerseyirish Says:

    Rosie, I agree, don’t feel the gay lifestyle was a factor. I read in my two local papers, these guys summed it up pretty well:

    First one said Kris was “the only one that got it Rat Pack week and grasp that the key to those songs was in the phrasing and storytelling, not the ability to drill through solid concrete with the power of your voice” He went on to say “Viewers often like an Idol who grows over the season, where Adam arrived as a finished product, and suddenly the growth story became Kris” and closed saying””we don’t have the Idol we expected, but we also have one who earned his unlikely victory”

    The other paper said “Idol viewers could embrace a gifted performer like Lambert, one who sported black nail polish and bold self-assuance, only to a point.”

    JI

  80. jerseyirish Says:

    Meant to include the second guys review at the end said 88 million votes were cast with Kris getting 1 million more than Adam.

    JI

  81. “By whining about so called ignorant or imperfect Americans you may come off as eliteist or lame. ”

    Yes.

  82. At the risk of oversimplifying the issue two of my gay male friends picked Kris early on as their favorite. They have separately downloaded all of his AI music. A female bible thumping straight friend of mine can’t get enough of Adam. All three voted, as did I, on the basis of who’s music spoke to us. As my mama used to say: Simple dimple, don’t get a pimple.

  83. mamaforpeace Says:

    As I said earlier, the sad part is that we have to speculate about this at all. It’s high time we moved on, it shouldn’t be an issue, but it is. Whether Adam lost because he is gay, I don’t know really. But as evidenced by the vote on Prop 8 in CA, my home state, prejudice is alive and well in all parts of the country… most of the world really. Sexual orientation, religion, race… too bad we can’t focus on what we have in common rather than what separates us.

  84. “I don’t recall insulting anybody’s intelligence and this doesn’t have anything to do with a ridiculous fan war between people who don’t have enough to do. This is just a symptom of a bigger problem.”

    You’re saying that Adam didn’t win because he’s gay and that those who voted for Kris are homophobic. How do you know that is 100% true?
    Every Idol season has a “ridiculous” fan war going on.
    You are reading too much into a TV show that is meant to entertain. If there is a “bigger problem”, then maybe people should start asking why a female didn’t win or an African American didn’t win. Like the saying goes, “you can please some of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.”

  85. Sarah: “America voted and that’s the way the game is played…..whoever wins, wins.”

    Somebody tell Dick Cheney.

  86. Christa Says:

    If Adam’s orientation had anything to do with his loss, then he wouldn’t have ever made it in the final two.

    I voted for Kris Allen the whole 4 hours. I guess I’m prejudice against gays. Damn, I didn’t know.

  87. According to the New York Daily News:

    5 Reasons Why Kris Allen Beat Adam Lambert

    1. Risks & Rewards : Although Lambert took more music risks than Allen, his risks (when they didn’t pay off) “missed the mark by a wide margin.” When Lambert performed Johnny Cash’s ‘Ring of Fire,’ judge Simon Cowell called it “absolute indulgent rubbish.”

    2. Gokey’s Elimination : When Allen sang a stripped down version of Kanye West’s ‘Heartless,’ he set himself apart, and Danny Gokey was eliminated. With Gokey out of the competition, his fans likely choose to vote for Allen, who represented the boy-next-door qualities that most teenage American girls would vote for.

    3. “Red state / Blue state” politics : Perhaps Lambert’s painted fingernails, “guyliner,” and uncertain sexuality left many more likely to vote for Allen who showcased his down-home and churchgoing persona.

    4. Pressure : Lambert was set-up for failure. With all eyes on Lambert, more people expected him to be perfect during every performance. With less pressure, Allen swooped in to take the ‘Idol’ title.

    5. The Finale Song : The down-home feel of ‘No Boundaries’ set Allen up for a win. He knocked it out of the park because of his ability to really connect with the song’s lyrics about overcoming obstacles and persevering.

  88. Then why do we define homosexuals by their sexuality?

    since his sexuality has been at the forefront this season, I bet that had something to do with it.

    This was bigger than a singing competition. This was about acceptance…

    Rosie, are we reading the same blog? I don’t see anything written here that can be construed as “whining”. My interpretation of Grey’s post is one of society as a whole. This has become a nation of “Us” and “Them”. THEY care about the environment; WE dont; THEY will fight worldwide terror; WE just don’t think it’s our problem; and so on and so on. In this case it’s “We want someone who is homogenized and clean cut”; “We want someone who is gender bending and thought provoking”.

    Additionally, Grey doesn’t say Adam lost this competition solely b/c of the gay issue. She says Adam Lambert’s sexuality contributed to his loss.

    How is that whining? It’s easy to prove that there was media surrounding his loud and proud lifestyle, and it’s well known that several commentators and private individuals called for votes “for Christianity”, such as Danny Gokey’s pastor Jeff Pruitt:
    Everyone who voted for @dannygokey should vote for Kris Allen! We need a believer to represent! Kris is an awesome young man…

    The sad truth is that all some people need in this society is a voice crying “wolf”, which in this case translates to: “Beware, beware!! The next American Idol may be gay!! What’s next??!? Will they be teaching our children?? Hearing our confessions?? Fighting for our country?? Watch out America!! As goes American Idol, so could go Our One Nation, Under God!!”

  89. But as evidenced by the vote on Prop 8 in CA, my home state, prejudice is alive and well in all parts of the country… most of the world really.

    Thank you, mama.

    3. “Red state / Blue state” politics : Perhaps Lambert’s painted fingernails, “guyliner,” and uncertain sexuality left many more likely to vote for Allen who showcased his down-home and churchgoing persona.

    How is this any different from the point of this blog?

    5. The Finale Song : The down-home feel of ‘No Boundaries’ set Allen up for a win. He knocked it out of the park because of his ability to really connect with the song’s lyrics about overcoming obstacles and persevering.

    Oh! The irony!!

  90. I’ll be here all week.

  91. I would have voted for Adam if he were a Zombie.

  92. mamaforpeace Says:

    Mmm! it seems we have an obsession with Zombies on this blog!

  93. LOL, Caryl!!!!

  94. JumpedtheShark Says:

    Aw shucks iag, you calling me out (I’m not worthy) lol

    Thanks for post. You are right, this is a discussion blog. Sometimes my feelings get the best of me and I’m “misunderstood”.

    Keep up the good work. WoW, what a controversial blog you’ve dealt us. 😉

  95. You’re saying that Adam didn’t win because he’s gay and that those who voted for Kris are homophobic.

    Hmm..”Sarah”, if you can show me where I said a vote for Kris means somebody is homophobic, let me know. I never said that.

  96. Definitely not my crowd.

  97. mamaforpeace Says:

    True, are you being obscure or am I being dense?

  98. It’s not you. It’s me.

  99. Which reminds me of some of my favorite tee’s seen on campus recently:

    “It’s not me. It’s you.”

    Yuk yuk.

    And…

    “Obey gravity:it’s the LAW.”

  100. YKW, You asked if I read the same blog as you? If you mean the one in which Grey says America Got It Wrong and then explains to us what an amazing singer performer and talent Adam is, she called him the “one” and in a different league of showmanship than anyone who has been on AI, I read it. She wanted him to win and he came in second. Is it whining to blame some Americans that he did not win? Supposedly it has been confirmed that 38,000,000 votes came from Arkansas, and I bet the vast majority were for Kris. I just don’t see how in fairness anyone can say 100% that the reason their favorite AI contestant did not win was because some in America ar homophobic. But lots of Adam fans are saying that is why he lost. Lets see, Allison was a good singer who landed in the bottom 3 several times she came in 4th. Was it because she was a female or Hispanic, or not cute enough or sexy enough for some? How many times did I read this season how gorgeous and sexy Adam was? Did he get as far as he did due to being tall and good looking? Did Kris get votes from teens because he is cute and 23? It is a singing, talent and popularity contest and I call it whining when someone complains people were wrong just because their favorite did not win. The people who love Adam can’t understand how everyone can’t see his talent and thus begins the blame and excuses. We can’t know why any of the 8 AI winners won or why any of the semifinalists did not.

  101. Adam is GAY? 😛

    I was planning on throwing my panties on stage when the AI tour comes to town . . . I guess I better change my plans. Boxers or briefs? Anyone know???

    All kidding aside, I really enjoyed Adam on the show this year and wish he had won. I’m sorry to think that Kris is being deemed by some people to be “the great usurper” one day into his reign. I guess this show is nothing, if it isn’t a cesspool for controversy and scandal.

    Gotta love that.

  102. As far as people putting down Adam’s core fanbase for “whining” about “unfairness” and all that stuff . . .

    I think that Taylor’s fans should give Adam’s fans a bit of time to whine, before we start ragging on them. Hell, Taylor’s fans have been whining for three years now. I think Adam’s fans can have at least one full day of whining. It’s only fair.

  103. Soulaz!!! Hahahahahahahahhahaa!!

    “Team Lambert – One Full Day, It’s All We Ask”
    That’ll fit on a coffee mug, right??!?

  104. Perfect, YKW! 😛

    I would totally drink my morning cuppa from a mug like that! While wearing my matching t-shirt and “stage throwing appropriate” boxer-style Team Lambert panties!

  105. Soulaz! I thought about you today and wondered if you were gone forever. Good to see you! (how’s taysharmonica? I thought about her, too)

  106. Whine Away! I should have shut my trap. It is all just opinions. Adam’s loss has brought out the Hick’s Is A Looser and so will be Kris brigade. This is my first year being online during the Idol season and I had no clue as to how invested people of all ages get over the competition and the results. Make it go away!

  107. Hey Caryl . . . I’ve just been taking an internet break, mainly. Ditto for TH. It’s good to step outside and breathe some fresh air occasionally! I’m never gone forever . . . I always come crawling back.

    Thanks for wondering about me. 😀

  108. Caryl never wonders about me. *sighs wistfully*

  109. jerseyirish Says:

    Rosie, Yeah I’ve seen all the alerts saying Taylor is a looser, the compasons have started. It is sad that folks do that, poor Kris not even the champ 24 hours and is already being called a looser. Took a look over at Splash just to see what was going on there, They announce with a picture of Kris that he won, the rest of the pics there are of Adam, so wrong.

    JI

  110. Caryl never asks me for a second cup of coffee, even though I have those cool Team Lambert mugs . . .

  111. If I may??

    “looser” – making something less tight

    “loser” – not a winner

    We will now return to our regularly scheduled whining and sighing.
    Thank you.

  112. YKW: how can I miss you if you never go away? (Isn’t that a country song?) LOL!

  113. JI and Rosie . . . I really wanted Adam to win, but I feel badly for Kris too. All this “Christian vs. The Gay” stuff has nothing to do with him.

    It’s been so evident that Kris and Adam have developed a real friendship. They probably both hate all the controversy equally.

  114. I get looser when I drink too much.

  115. That’s better than getting a loser!

  116. Are you calling me a stalker, Caryl?!?

  117. Aw…never, YKW! (although…?)

    I should go away and see if anyone would miss me.

  118. I SAID, I should go away and see if anyone would miss me!

    (haha. nevermind. going away now. just for today. you can’t get rid of me that easily.)

  119. Don’t go too far, Caryl. 😉

  120. Caryl and Soulaz.. having cawfee in Lambert mugs and no invitation for me? 😛

  121. Harp! I’m throwing my Team Lambert panties at you, as we speak!

  122. Thanks Soulaz! I was hoping for Glambert thongs all glittered up and beige like the states that voted against him.. 😆

  123. http://www.adamofficial.com/content/adams-brother-just-posted

    Adam’s brother just posted this
    It copied it over from the scary boards. It doesn’t state where it came from exactly, but this is what was posted in its entirety;

    “”Oh the sadness! Middle America kicked our rear end. The vote statistics coming in showed that, of the 100 million votes total, 38 million came from Arkansas.

    But all’s not lost, Adam’s in good hands and has quite a few people knocking on his door. Slash thinks he’s awesome and wants to collaborate. So he’ll be fine. Kris and his family are nice, genuine people even if they were somewhat fueled by people voting simply for the Christian guy, I’m happy for them. He’s talented, so it’s not like it was a complete mugging.

    To those of you who swallowed their pride and voted, thanks. It was worth a shot! “

    And how cool is it that a day after the AI finale, Adam already has an official site up? Wow…not like the olden days…of three years ago.

  124. This is an interesting article, too.

    http://charlottelaws.typepad.com/the_official_charlotte_la/2009/05/adam-lambert-dont-worry-elvis-would-have-lost-american-idol-too.html

    American Idol is not a singing contest in which the most talented is crowned in the end. It is a show based on a democratic process in which callers—who tend to lean conservative–choose the performer with whom they can identify. The majority seek a winner who is wholesome as apple pie and who share their value system. Additionally, the AI demographic tends to be white, middle-aged females who are slightly more conservative than the average American.

    Lambert is an iconoclast and was never the front-runner in this race. He was always the underdog.

    Memorable newspaper headlines called the Allen-Lambert showdown: “Good vs. Evil” and “David vs. Goliath.” Did anyone actually believe ordinary Americans would vote for a contestant equated with “evil”?

    A Kris Allen win is the expected and a continuation of the same.

    The real story would have been a Lambert win. It would have indicated a cultural shift in America, especially as same-sex marriage initiatives sweep the land.

    Elvis Presley’s appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show horrified the masses who thought the singer was upsetting the morals and mores of society.

    Elvis was the Adam Lambert of his time.And he would have lost American Idol as well.

  125. casualfan Says:

    5. The Finale Song : The down-home feel of ‘No Boundaries’ set Allen up for a win. He knocked it out of the park because of his ability to really connect with the song’s lyrics about overcoming obstacles and persevering.
    ==============================================
    I agree with this. The song is lame but Kris did do a better job delivering it.

    carry on…………………

  126. Cool post by Adam’s brother, IAG . . . I’m still trying to figure out how 38 million votes were cast in Arkansas.

    I’m a dork and I googled the population of Arkansas . . . less than 3 million people in the whole state. That’s a little more than half the population of the Phoenix metropolitan area.

    Damn! Phoenix could have brought the win for Adam, if half of us had voted as hard as those crazy Arkansans.

  127. I’m still trying to figure out how 38 million votes were cast in Arkansas.

    Yeah, me too, Soulaz..me too.

  128. casualfan Says:

    Kris deserved to win that title just as Adam did and I find it really sad that this young man cannot truly enjoy his victory because of all the speculations and accusations floating around…sad indeed.

  129. Speculation and accusation, thy name is American Idol . . .

    I have already heard two post AI interviews, where Adam was asked point blank to address his sexuality for the TV cameras.

    Both Adam and Kris have their own crosses to bear.

  130. Amen on that point, Soulaz.

  131. If there truly was 38 million votes that came out of Arkansas then they may have had phone banks set up the way that Jasmine Trias from Hawaii had in whatever season that was.. (was that her name?)

    RE: The coronation craptastic song.. If I were Adam and won.. I would have forfeited rather than have to drone out that hell on earth song every night for the next year.

    Idol is ruch in history for crowning Southern winners.. Around the time Anoop got voted off, is around the time the judges started quietly pimping Kris. Surely, Kara had that in the back of her mind when she co-wrote that shitastic dreck.

  132. Oh hey…our golden boy has posted. He’s going to be at another WalMart.

    Wow.

    Meet Taylor On Friday!!!
    Taylor will be doing an in store appearance tomorrow, Friday, May 22nd from 4pm – 6pm. Show up at:

    Walmart
    8924 Quilceda Blvd.
    Marysville, WA 98271

    Have fun!!

  133. I wonder if golden boy would mind picking me up a gallon of their diet iced tea and have my tires balanced while he’s signing?

  134. I love their iced tea!! ahahahaha

  135. Oh man . . . the whole Taylor Hicks WalMart Tour of Awesomeness just makes me kind of sad. It reminds me of Tiffany singing in the mall, except Taylor isn’t actually singing. I have to give him credit though. He’s totally Taylorized the art of sitting at a table beneath a “Roll Back” sign.

  136. AHAHAHAHAHAAH Soulaz!!

  137. The “Throw Back” goes “Roll Back.”

  138. Christa Says:

    It’s a CD signing, it’s not as if he’s singing there.

  139. Allison should have won.

  140. casualfan Says:

    Christa Says:

    May 21, 2009 at 11:14 pm
    It’s a CD signing, it’s not as if he’s singing there.
    ==============================================
    Well then perhaps he should Christa….at least we would get some music out of him. He can bring in his inspirational stool with his harp and guitar and do an acoustic set for tips.

  141. hicksaholic Says:

    Regarding the 38 million votes from Arkansas- one poster said she got in 80000 votes(I believe for Kris). Apparently she bought some cheap go phone, programmed in her top 20 numbers(all of them Kris’s line) and then kept hitting resend. I guess it was phone calls not texts though although I wonder how all her calls got through. I tryed to call about 20 or 30 times for both and never got through.

  142. littlewing Says:

    Late to the topic but to attribute Kris’ win to a predominantly anti-gay view is flawed logic. It is about the music. You all give O’Reilly and the rest of ‘em too much credence. Real Christians have more important tasks at hand, I would think, than to power-vote against a singer on AI. I think this season spawned/forced much discussion of the gay issue and has people talking and choosing sides, but to say that there was some kind of well-oiled Christian machine determined to shut down Lambert is presumptive and borne of an emotional/socio-political reaction rather than sound logic.

    And hey, dont all younguns that age think kissing and stuff is ICKY, regardless of who is doing it? I know mine did. I wouldn’t make too much of that Grey.

  143. jerseyirish Says:

    Hey iag, Didn’t know Adam had a brother. I thought in one of the begining bio’s they said he was an only child. That’s cool they have a site up and running for him already.

    littlewing, Well said!!!

    JI

  144. Yeah, he has a brother named Neil. He was at the finale sitting next to his parents.

  145. jerseyirish Says:

    oh, ok I saw the fellow sitting with them dark haired I guess he favors the Mom, nice looking yougman also!!

    JI

  146. NolaMar Says:

    QUOTE: “Regarding the 38 million votes from Arkansas- one poster said she got in 80000 votes(I believe for Kris). Apparently she bought some cheap go phone, programmed in her top 20 numbers(all of them Kris’s line) and then kept hitting resend. ”

    If that’s true it’s SO ridiculous!! Until they only allow one vote per person, the “voting” is a joke as far as being an indication of how many people actually voted for the person. It’s just who can come up with the best scheme to get hundreds or thousands of votes in for their guy…

    BTW, no one commented on Simon when bikini girl walked in. THAT was one of highlights of the show for me! Never seen such a reaction on his face as that. LOL His eyes popped open wide and you could see his mouth say “WOW!”

  147. Now MJ over at MJ’s big blog is saying that the 38 million votes thing was just a rumor…so who knows?

  148. Harp is here! Yay!!

  149. Quote: “All Adam has to do is go on Broadway and he will making a killing. He will have a super fantastic career so I’m not worried about him. I can only hope Kris does well.”

    Just a little note Adam Lambert has already been on Broadway, now it is time for him to Rock a music career and he will!

  150. In case you can’t find it he was in the cast for Wicked and the understudy for the role of Fiyero…and was also in “The ten Commandments” production at the Kodak Theater which I find just totally ironic and quite funny!!!ROTFL

  151. mamaforpeace Says:

    Taylor will be signing cd’s at Borders in June… definitely a step up from WalMart!

  152. Tayfan1 . . I’m trying to see your humor . . and failing.

    Tried to stay away from this but . . . .
    I haven’t been a regular watcher of AI since Taylor’s year but keep up in case someone interests me – so far that’s been two, Melinda Doolittle and Adam Lambert. This year after ‘Mad World’ I went hunting for the talk online . . quickly remembered why I avoid the show and use YouTube & Rickey for info.

    I don’t think the SP is a good sample group for the typical AI audience . . but know people on this side of the computer monitor who I think are.
    IMHO for a sizable segment of the AI audience, music is to the show as the gopher is to Caddyshack – an interesting sidenote.
    If you record and fast forward to catch just the music it seems the producers think so too . I remember talk in Idol threads and from my real world contacts about there not being enough information about the contestants – this year ? last year ? – it blurs.
    If it’s a singing competition why does personal history matter ? Have to wonder if those same people research the lives of every artist whose music they like.

    As an uninvolved observer for the past few seasons, I do believe the backstories have a Lot to do with who succeeds on the show. In the early stages it seems to have much to do with keeping the show interesting, but when it comes down to the win think many – if not most – factor in the personal history when they make their final choice.
    So yes, I do think Kris got a lot of anti-Adam votes – probably a very high percentage of those from the Gokey camp.

    As to there being / not being an organized effort . . here’s one small example from a northeast blip on the map. Someone I know married into a fundamentalist family (her husband is the black sheep) and, per her m-i-l, the sermon last Sunday included the instruction to vote to save AI from the evil influence on their children. Extrapolate that to the rest of the country and draw your own conclusion.

    BTW . . I do think Kris has talent – but so do a whole lot of nice guys out there already who sound just like him. The title will certainly give him the edge over them.
    Adam and Allison have the kind of talent that might be able to break through the anti-AI sentiments into the general music world . . personally I’m very glad neither of them are saddled with the ‘crown’.

    Here’s one reason why . . http://www.redwhiteandcruise.com/entertainment.html
    No, I’m not making a dig at the event . . just at the use of American Idol in place of a music genre . . . but then . . .

  153. Hmm . . correcting a mistake . . so far that’s been Three people . . Melinda, Adam and Allison Iraheta.

  154. AH, I completely agree with your post..but I’ll go one step further and say…this is what Taylor doing? Having CD signings at Walmart and not even getting top billing at this event?

    http://www.autoclubspeedway.com/Tickets-Events/Events/2009/Red-White-and-Cruise.aspx

    Wow.

    I bet even Adam Lambert is glad he didn’t win. And thank God he doesn’t have to be saddled with that awful song.

  155. Oh good grief Straw, try to get a clue.
    Thats a great show that Taylor is going to be in. He is one of the acts on the main stage. Its sponsored by a big country radio station and Taylor is NOT going to be considered the main country act. Thats just silly.
    Its a great start into country however. Why do you have this need to make everything he does sound like less than it is? What I described here is the reality of the situation not your negative take on it.

    And of course Adam is glad he didnt win. Hes not saddled with handling the bulk of the summer tour, freeing him up to record.
    He has a large fanbase poised to buy 15 each of whatever he does so they can prove hes the “real winner” Adam and 19E can laugh all the way to the bank , when they are not laughing at the goofballs that think he wanted to win. 🙄

  156. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-david/adam-lambert-loses-homoph_b_206154.html

    If the contestants had zero backstory, Lambert would have decimated the competition. Instead, Allen’s Christianity, church roots and corn-fed wife were exploited, as were Lambert’s musical theatre roots (i.e. his ‘theatre fag’ history). He didn’t say a word about his sexuality, but didn’t need to. For that we had the Internet, zapping anyone’s private photo library to the world, so photos of Lambert swapping saliva with a guy went viral, as well as a lot of his very strange yet riveting LA cabaret performances, turning off the homophobic majority.

    Yes, a majority of the country is homophobic. If it weren’t, gays would have had their rights back in the 90s when the Europeans got them. We wouldn’t have a majority of states with a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. We wouldn’t be fighting for even rudimentary domestic partnership laws in some cities and states. We wouldn’t have anti-gay imbeciles like Maggie Gallagher, Peter LaBarbera, Matt Barber or the “God Hates Fags” morons getting publicity. Yep, if American weren’t homophobic, Lambert would be waving to the crowds from a convertible.

    Bill O’Reilly, a homophobe who knows what plays to his old white guy audience, did at least two features on Lambert’s sexuality, creating an issue where none needed exist. He first brought up the Internet photos of Lambert kissing a guy and asked if this would be a “problem” for America, an America who might not have even thought about it until O’Reilly brought it up. And right before the Idol finale he brought on Newsweek’s Ramin Setoodeh, author of an article about the “Christian vote” going to Allen, again planting a seed in a public who might not previously have thought of it. O’Reilly is a skilled propagandist, warning us against the evils of the secular world before they even entered our minds. And Steoodeh wrote, post ‘Idol,” about reasons why Lambert may have lost, neglecting to mention how he himself may have contributed.

    I’m sorry a simple musical theatre actor from California and a simple guitar strummer from Arkansas have to bear this cultural burden, but there it is. Despite Allen’s pleading that “It’s about music, it’s not about religion and all that kind of stuff,” it is indeed about religion and all that kind of stuff. Danny Gokey’s pastor Twittered, “We need a believer to represent.” Even Rev. Ted Haggard, the most frightened homosexual in America, Twittered that he wanted Allen to win. A Lambert win would have scared the bejeezus out of him.

  157. “Hmm..”Sarah”, if you can show me where I said a vote for Kris means somebody is homophobic, let me know. I never said that.”

    Grey, your whole rant was about people not voting for Adam because he is gay. I wanted Adam to win and I’m not gay nor homophobic!! Why did you have to make this a political argument?…..it’s entertainment, and politics should have nothing to do with it. You did say the following which is offensive to people who voted for Kris:

    “So, tonight, America failed Adam Lambert and America failed the homosexual community. Because tonight was more of a fight for freedom than it was a fight for a recording contract. Tonight could have been America’s stand against bigotry and hatred, but instead, we’re left with the same, safe way. This was bigger than a singing competition. This was about acceptance, and we failed.”

  158. I’m sorry a simple musical theatre actor from California and a simple guitar strummer from Arkansas have to bear this cultural burden, but there it is.

    I did look for information on Kris and agree completely that it is sad that he is caught up in this . . he does not deserve to be . . not only is he a friend to Adam, from what I found he and his church does not condone discrimination or demand that everyone in the world believe as they do. My maternal grandparents were the truest type of Christians I’ve ever known . . they would be disgusted by the hatred that is preached by some today. Can almost hear my grandfather repeating the “golden rule” as I type this . . along with his other favorite – walk a mile in the other guy’s shoes.
    Dammit . . why am I getting sucked into this . . ack !!! . . oh yeah … because I’m an old (got that Snow?) hippie who believes in do your own thing . . as long as it doesn’t f-up someone else’s thing.

    Have undoubtedly pissed off a fair number of folks by now . . time to go back to the cave.

  159. Hmmm Are you calling me, the worlds biggest cynic, a beleiver?
    Well, if so, hahahahaha
    Nope, I just dont’ have a pathological need to turn a positive into a negative. Just keepin it real.

  160. casualfan Says:

    itsallgrey Says:

    May 22, 2009 at 9:53 am
    AH, I completely agree with your post..but I’ll go one step further and say…this is what Taylor doing? Having CD signings at Walmart and not even getting top billing at this event?
    =======================================
    Oh my!

  161. Just a small comment concerning backstory. My son tried out for America’s Got Talent, which I understand is very similar to American Idol. On the application he was asked if there was anything he had to overcome in his life. So yeah, it’s about more than talent. It’s about Great TV.

  162. Grey, your whole rant was about people not voting for Adam because he is gay. I wanted Adam to win and I’m not gay nor homophobic!! Why did you have to make this a political argument?…..it’s entertainment, and politics should have nothing to do with it. You did say the following which is offensive to people who voted for Kris:

    Honestly, Sarah, I didn’t make this about politics. It already was. Everything is about politics. And I wrote about it because it’s my blog..and I can. If you choose not to join in this discussion, you don’t have to.

    At the top of your screen, under file, click new window. That’s all it takes.

  163. “Honestly, Sarah, I didn’t make this about politics. It already was. Everything is about politics. And I wrote about it because it’s my blog..and I can. If you choose not to join in this discussion, you don’t have to.

    At the top of your screen, under file, click new window. That’s all it takes.”

    Grey, I know it’s your blog, but I thought our aim is to be an “inclusive” society. So, if I have a different opinion, then I am not welcome to express it????? That pretty much contradicts everything you blogged about Adam losing.

    Your blog also says:
    “But then, make sure that the people who don’t have that attitude allow others to have it. I mean, this is America, and there is freedom of speech, right?”

    I agree Adam should have won…..I just don’t think it had anything to do with his sexual preference. He will be a huge star anyway. I think Kris might have won because of “texting”
    by the young fans who voted for him…..that’s what today’s New York Newsday says about it. (Older viewers don’t text.)

    I don’t think we should jump to judgment….that’s all I’m saying.

  164. All opinions are welcome on this blog, however, they are done respectfully. In your first post, you say that I’m “lecturing” and in your next post, you say that I’m offending all of the people who voted for Kris. So, yes, you’re welcome to give your opinion, I just ask that you are respectful of the way that you do that.

    As for the texting thing, is New York Newsday saying that Adam has an older demographic that he attracts?

    Another thing I want to clear up…I’m not saying that Adam lost only because of his sexuality, but I think it played a huge role in it. Huge.

  165. Okay Henry8, You are my hero. You seem to be the only one that gets it on this blog. You are right, AI is laughing all the way to the bank. Not to mention the politicans love this, People argueing over AI, so they are not paying attention to all the crap they are pulling off in the government.

    I am proud that Taylor is working so hard, trying to get his career going again. Why would you kick a person when they are down, that’s kind of being biased in its own way, isn’t it?

  166. PurpleButterflies Says:

    Adam has an amazing stage presence and a beautiful singing voice. But I stopped rooting for him when he persistently screeched like fire ants were attacking him.

    Here are the demographics for AI viewers. http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/05/15/most-american-idol-viewers-over-age-35-and-other-idol-data/3787 I don’t think that the majority of the 35 and older crowd are big on screeching either.

    I think the way things turned out on this season of AI worked out well for both Adam and Kris, and also for AI. Kris seems like he would let AI do whatever they wanted with him. He’s moldable. Adam on the other hand, does not seem like he would accept being molded. And if he fought AI every step of the way, he would find himself blackballed.

  167. (Older viewers don’t text.)

    Heh, heh.

  168. In your first post, you say that I’m “lecturing” and in your next post, you say that I’m offending all of the people who voted for Kris.

    IAG I am very very offended that you fail to respect the right of your moral superiors to parachute in to lecture you on what opinions and topics you may discuss on this blog you created and run. It’s highly inconsiderate of you, don’t you think? In fact, I think you owe me an apology.

  169. casualfan Says:

    henry8 Says:

    May 22, 2009 at 11:52 am
    Nope, I just dont’ have a pathological need to turn a positive into a negative. Just keepin it real.
    ============================================
    henry, the only time you post over here is when you want to slam IAG or the topic we are discussing. You obviously read this blog all the time because you make comments over on Chills site almost every day that are negative concerning this blog. You seem to have the pathological need of dragging mud all over the place. Are you that bored over there?

  170. mamaforpeace Says:

    And here I thought I was the only one who saw the similarity between Adam and Freddie Mercury!

  171. I think Kris Allen was the underdog and people love to see the underdog win

    Based on what I’ve heard on Idol in the past and on my local radio station daily, Kris was not the musical underdog. Adam’s music was the least mainstream of any contestant this year, falling often in the dreaded “theatrical” category that’s routinely panned on Idol.

    Based on what I’ve seen of Idol, Kris, the small-town, Southern, soft-spoken, “boy-next-door”, was not the underdog. That’s the standard-issue Idol fairy tale.

    Yes, the judges recognized Adam early and often, and only recognized Kris much later. And, yes, some people like to vote for anybody but the ones promoted by the judges (VFTW, eg). Nothing wrong with that.

    i’m not saying that Kris’ voters were mostly of that sort, or that he doesn’t have lots of fans that like his music (i like some of his music). But only in the tiniest bubble of one fraction of the show can he be called the underdog.

    I’d say the real thing is that most people vote for what’s comfortable for them. I mean that primarily in terms of music, but maybe also performance style, which includes the visual. Kris is comfortable, status-quo. Two people of equal talent, the one who’s going to win is the one doing stuff that people are already down with. Somebody doing something out of the mainstream is going to have to be 10 times as talented. Maybe Lambert was only 3.7 times as talented. Text book underdog.

    But comfort zone trumps underdog story most of the time.

  172. IAG I am very very offended that you fail to respect the right of your moral superiors to parachute in to lecture you on what opinions and topics you may discuss on this blog you created and run. It’s highly inconsiderate of you, don’t you think? In fact, I think you owe me an apology.

    😉

  173. I am proud that Taylor is working so hard, trying to get his career going again. Why would you kick a person when they are down, that’s kind of being biased in its own way, isn’t it?

    Oliver…there’s no kicking going on around here. Just talking.

  174. hey casualfan whoever you may be, Nope, not bored anywhere. Hardly light anywhere long enough to get bored. I am a very fast reader. 🙂
    Just every so often I feel the need to try to inject a little common sense, have no idea why I try. 🙄
    And just so you know your opinion of where and what I read and where and why I post are of absolutely no importance to me.
    But since you feel the need to know why I do things, I just thought I’d be nice and tell you.

  175. Good point IAG. I will try to be more careful in my descriptions in the future.

  176. casualfan Says:

    henry8 Says:

    May 22, 2009 at 8:32 pm
    hey casualfan whoever you may be, Nope, not bored anywhere. Hardly light anywhere long enough to get bored. I am a very fast reader.
    Just every so often I feel the need to try to inject a little common sense, have no idea why I try.
    And just so you know your opinion of where and what I read and where and why I post are of absolutely no importance to me.
    But since you feel the need to know why I do things, I just thought I’d be nice and tell you.
    ———————————————————————————
    hahaha!

  177. spinshack Says:

    Favorite moments reading here today:

    “In fact, there’s a precedent for this. We all know that gangs of elderly women colluded to put Taylor Hicks over the top.” That Gray guy.

    “The fan wars between the Adam-Kris fans should be fantastic! They’ll make the Hicks-Daughtry thing seem mild.” Virtual Speak.

    “He’s totally Taylorized the art of sitting at a table beneath a “Roll Back” sign.” Soulaz for the Win. lol

    I agree that his sexuality played a part in this situation. I also agree surprisingly with Henry8 on points made regarding this switch ending. It is all about the dollar with Idol.

    Then henry8 had to post about being the God’s Gift to Common Sense and she lost me again. ha.

    I think gLambert will do fine.

  178. YAY! I win!!

    My only concern is that “That Gray Guy” and Virtual Speak deserve it more than I do.

    I guess those 58752352 gazillion votes from Arizona tipped the scales my way. 😛

  179. charcoal Says:

    I lost because of my ill defined sexuality I guess. For awhile there folks thought I was a girl. Online androgyny is a no-go in the fundamentalist community and major parts of the midwest.

  180. Um, charcoal? For a while there folks thought you were a girl? I bet that there are some that still do. ahahahhaha

  181. spinshack Says:

    So it’s is still that gender issue that stands in between the fine and the line. lol

    If it is any consolation, I never had a doubt about your on-line gender charcoal. None.

  182. That’s okay, because charcoal and Virtual Speak are already outselling me on iTunes:

    #1 – “I Kissed a Gang of Elderly Women” by charcoal

    #2 – “Ballad of the Death of Kradam” by Virtual Speak

    #152 – “I Rolled Back My Love But You Still Didn’t Buy” by soulaz

    My career has been Taylorized before it’s even begun. 😦

  183. AHAHHAHAHA!! I’m pretty sure I like 152 the best…

  184. casualfan Says:

    I have to vote for #152-hahahaha!

  185. LambertsLabelle Says:

    Whats if we just look at an other angle?
    Adam didnt lose because he s gay,he came in SECOND even though he s gay.I think thats quite a process for America.
    If you then take the rumors for true that little Arkansas were able to organisate their people THAT well that they managed to bring in 38 millon votes for their fellow Kriss (38% of the total votes!!)..
    then you take a couple of Danny-votes,a couple of homofobian votes,a couple of churchvotes and ..the worse, I regreat most-a lot of lazy Lambert-fans in the last votinghour (I voted like an insain person on all three lines and had permanent busysgns until the last 45 minutes of votingtime.From then on everyone of my phonecalls came through,the three lines just were not occupied anymore=everyone went to bed but me????)here we lost millions of votes for Adam .
    I agree, I also would have LOOOVED to show the gay-haters the FINGER,but I dont agree completely that America again went for the tradiconal way.Adam was frontrunner until the finals and ,lets see it clear,he still is also AFTER the finals.IHe is the one in the limelight.If America would be still THAT homophobian like everybody seems to think he would have been gone after the first week.He made it through the finals,it means the world for him that he is accepted JUST for who he is.He never compromised,he noever tried to hide and he earned millons of fans with his hughe talent and his amazing personality.So I think there a really big changes going on in America.Good things just take their time!The gay-Idol will come!!The doors are wide open thanks Adam.

  186. Meg Collins Says:

    Wow am I sorry I missed this little conversation…. I loved IAG’s post {could have written it myself save for the daughter )and my pal Lila ended this with some very valid points. Time to send this link for some of my friends to get to read who will really feel refreshed by Grey’s and other’s thoughts here.
    One big IBID Grey!!

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