Take it to the fans…the new fan funding era of indie music

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Came across a really interesting article here about how artists are using their fanbases to come up with artwork, record songs and even fund their next album.

As CD sales decline, advances from record labels dwindle and audience demographics break up into smaller niches, more and more artists from all levels of popularity are seeking to retain fans by including them in the creative process.

Nine Inch Nails has a new DVD project called Another Version of the Truth: This One’s on Us that includes a version of the band’s 2008 Las Vegas concert edited together from dozens of fan-created video and audio recordings.

I mean, how cool is that? Taylor decided that he needed to ban recordings in case *gasp* some of the new stuff leaked out. Hell, at this point it probably would have been better to do that. Since some of the recordings required a little “getting used to”, it would have hastened the acceptance period.

Here, take some advice from Rascal Flatts. They know a thing or two about hits.

“Many times when we’re putting together a new tour, I’ll get online and ask about what the fans want to hear, what songs they wish we would do live that we haven’t done in a while,” says Rascal Flatts bassist Jay DeMarcus. “Their input and their advice is invaluable to us. It’s the main source of research for us whenever we start out to do a piece of business.”

Oh, but I know, I know the sad story. Taylor can’t afford to tour. He has to do Grease for the money. He had to do Grease to cut a new album. Funny, other people can do it without losing their artistic integrity.

Instead of outsourcing work to fans, Los Angeles-based singer/songwriter Jill Sobule went to them for backing. When she saw her usual sources of funding — record-company advances — dry up, she knew she’d have to get creative if she wanted to record again.

“The idea of trying to get a record deal and go have meetings seemed completely horrible,” says Sobule, who had a top 20 modern-rock hit in 1995 with I Kissed a Girl (not the Katy Perry song) but hadn’t released an album in five years. “The second thing was, no one’s giving advances, so why would I do it, anyway? I’ve never made a penny off of records.”

Sobule made plenty off the promise of a new record, though, by creating a website (jillsnextrecord.com), where fans could contribute money to finance the recording. She raised $88,969, enough to hire Grammy-winner Don Was to produce California Years, out next week on Sobule’s Pinko Records label.

Sobule ran her website much like a public-television pledge drive, offering increasingly enticing perks for greater gifts. A $10 donation served essentially as an advance order, with donors receiving a free digital download of California Years upon its release. The most popular level, $50, got donors an advance copy of the CD and a “thank you” mention in the liner notes. For $500, fans got their names incorporated into the album’s final track, appropriately titled The Donor Song.

Sobule, who kept fans informed with an online tote board tallying donations, also recorded personalized theme songs for 11 $1,000 donors, among them Dancing With the Stars host Tom Bergeron. One $10,000 donor got to sing background vocals on the album.

Um, wait. The Soul Patrol forever enshrined within a song? I’m not sure the world is ready for that one. Here’s another example of inguenity required in order to live out a dream.

Other artists, such as Nashville singer/songwriter Jeff Black, engage the community on the road. Kiss may bill its 2009 North American run as the “first-ever fan-routed tour,” but Black takes the concept a step further. Not only do fans help schedule his dates, they often serve as booking agents, promoters and hosts.

Black wrote a couple of moderately successful country hits for other artists during the ’90s and briefly had a deal with Arista Records. Royalties from those days still trickle in, but the prolific artist largely has replaced those income streams with money from fan-sponsored shows, sales of independently produced CDs, even a subscription-based weekly podcast called Black Tuesday.

“I’m closer to the people who like to listen to my music than I’ve ever been,” he says. Organizers of the fan-sponsored concerts, which often are held at houses, will print event-specific programs and tickets and take the word of Black’s shows out into the street.

A subscription podcast? That sounds like a fantastic idea. Oh, but that’s weekly blogging. That just ain’t gonna happen. We all know how those “weekly” blogs went.

So, here (once again, it seems), we have artists who have much less going for them than an American Idol winner. And yet, these folks are still getting their music out there. Still touring. Still gaining appeal, even in this bad economy. Given the chance, fans will spend money on their favorite artists. Question is, what are you going to do with it? Buy more butterfly tanks and tees? How about those shot glasses? Or will you put their money where it counts, back into a quality production, something the entire fanbase can enjoy and rally around? Or will you dilute your “product” by branching out in so many directions that even your most ardent fans don’t know who you are or what you stand for?

Choose your path: waste your resources on multiple ventures, or focus on a known commodity, that ALL your fans will support.

Your choice, go the distance.

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215 Responses to “Take it to the fans…the new fan funding era of indie music”

  1. casualfan Says:

    As usual-great blog Grey! I still say that instead of doing Grease, he should have opted out for a small accoustic tour and (as you said) introduce his new music to everyone by playing small venues. As a working musician (who Taylor has claimed to be over and over again) that’s the road they take. “Whatever it takes” another Taylor phrase.

  2. Snowstorm Says:

    Wow, you don’t get it, do you? Taylor wants fame and he does not care how it get it.. thru music, acting, or standing on his head.

  3. *stands up and applauds*

    Great article, IAG. Mr. Hicks needs to define himself. Is he a working musician? Is he getting his feet wet in acting? Is he a singer/songwriter? I really don’t know. Maybe he wants to be all of those things, but at what cost? A diluted fanbase? Lackluster sales on a CD (when half the fans want another musical?) or poor revenue in another tour company (when the other half of the fanbase wants a CD/tour?)

    I admire artists who can multi-task, but I think you need either a huge fan base, or an enormous amount of talent to support those ventures.

  4. Is it working for him though? Is it getting him “fame”? Good reviews? Acclaim? Positive attention from his peers and the public at large?

    More importantly Snow, is anything he’s doing getting him new and younger fans??

  5. Great post.
    IMO, an intimate acoustic tour would’ve been better than riding the Grease wave more.
    Taylor better choose his path and well, if he wants recognition for his talent.

    PS Blogging or vlogging wouldn’t be so hard, I don’t get why he doesn’t do it. Someone should personally advise him on that or something. It helps keeps the fans in touch and interested.

  6. jerseyirish Says:

    I’m sure Taylor is well aware of what others are doing, this is the path he has decided to go, to incorporate his music with acting. I really don’t feel he has made a mistake, he is doing what he wants to do, he seems genuinely happy with the way things are going, don’t see him changing his path anytime soon it is working for him.

    JI

  7. I agree Christa, why is he so hesitant to blog? It takes no time at all! Now that he’s not a “working musician” he should have all kinds of free time!

  8. Someone should sooo tell him to blog, and somewhere public too. Not just HQ because a lot of people don’t want to pay extra money in this country’s current state. Most of the fanbase probably don’t go on HQ.
    Myspace, youtube, heck even twitter updates. Endless possibilities that would make being a fan better and get other people interested. A lot of artists do it, heck a majority.
    Grabbing a regular camera and recording backstage stuff, giving updates. Stuff like that.
    It’s easy these days for a musician to keep in touch with fans, and Taylor has much more opportunities than the people that were mentioned in the OP. So he should take em.

  9. http://q1075.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=95&Itemid=86

    Taylor Hicks radio interview, guess its recent because he mentions Twitter at the end.
    Lol all the ‘y’knows’ make me laugh but can also be kinda peevish.

  10. err…Why would Taylor auction crap on his website or go begging from the fans to finance his album when he can finance it himself by singing one song twice a day in a Broadway show? AND get cheers from the crowd? Why would he need to beg fans to finance a little tour when, if he plays his cards right, he can do it himself and be in control of everything?

    He is doing better $-wise than Jeff Black! He doesn’t need to do that stuff.

    (And he made a pretty cool album with that uncool Broadway money, IMO.)

  11. casualfan Says:

    tandjam, I know plenty of Musicians who simply love what they are doing and the money is secondary to them. Sure, they want to live a comfortable lifestyle and provide for their families but they don’t go off seeking Broadway or other career paths when they are able to do the craft they love. These Musicians aren’t mainstream, but they are happy, provide for their families, have small but very dedicated fan followings and have a great time doing what they love doing. For them it really is ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC.

  12. The thing about Taylor is that he did tell us it was all about the music. That’s what he sold to us in his aftershows during Idol, if I recall right. What’s sad is that maybe it’s not all about the music, maybe it’s all about the money.

    As for a cool album, I’m still waiting on that one.

  13. I don’t mind Broadway all that much… just wasn’t fond of the Grease idea at first.
    But it does help in financing for CDs and shadow tours. And perhaps he does want to do both acting and music. We don’t know whats going on in his mind or what his plans are.

    I just think he should keep more in touch with his fans and perhaps fire the people who are doing a crappy job at promoting him and keeping his CD in stock.

    Just my two cents.
    I’m going to the movies… later.

  14. hicksaholic Says:

    I think Taylor hit a new all time high in that interview with the “you know”s. He needs to put that rubber band back on his wrist and snap it every time he says it. He seemed to have gotten better but that interview had a lot of them. Oh well if I was giving an interview I would probably do something like that too.

  15. casualfan Says:

    The thing about Taylor is that he did tell us it was all about the music. That’s what he sold to us in his aftershows during Idol, if I recall right. What’s sad is that maybe it’s not all about the music, maybe it’s all about the money.

    As for a cool album, I’m still waiting on that one.
    ====================================
    This is exactly my point. You, me and many others are going by HIS words which he hasn’t been doing himself.

    In the end all Mr. Hicks may have left is the hand full of fans he has left, his glitter, his angel wings, twittering in his ice-cream cone and Bill….sad thought.

  16. casualfan Says:

    Have fun Christa and don’t forget the popcorn with lots of butter!

  17. jerseyirish Says:

    I also remember him saying in those interviews he wanted to be an all around entertainer, he wanted to entertain people, do it all.

    tandjam, I agree I don’t see Taylor ever doing that, he is going to do things the way he is most comfortable doing them. I always thought the Grease move was a good career choice for him. He is doing his single at the end of the show along with the shadow dates its a win, win for him.

    JI

  18. …the hand full of fans he has left, his glitter, his angel wings, twittering in his ice-cream cone and Bill…

    LOL, CF!!!

  19. Snowstorm Says:

    Any contentant on American Idol wants fame and fortune. If they don’t get it thru music, they will do anything to remain in the public eye. You either accept that or you don’t. Of course, they sell out because fame and fortune is the name of the game.

    As far as I’m concerned, Taylor has failed in the music arena. His music is not popular and does not sell. That’s not to say that he won’t become successful in the future.. maybe he’ll get it together..who knows? As a fan, you have two choices.. continue being a fan or walk away. The choice is yours, but I see no point in constantly complaining. We just go around in an never ending circle.

  20. It’s great that it “works for him”. But how much momentum has Mr. Hicks lost while exploring the acting bug? How many potential dates to promote the CD? How many sales from music junkies who liked him on AI, heard his indie stuff and thought “WHAAAAAT??!?” when they heard about the ‘Grease’ tour?
    Believe me, only the SP thinks ‘Grease’ is wonderful for Mr. Hicks. And I bet even the SP will get bored at some point.

  21. I agree with what JI and Tandjam said. Some of you not only despise him doing Grease but enjoy giving him all manner of career advice. I’m in a bad mood due to a bad chest cold and feel lousy and the meds prevent me from composing anything eloquent on this subject. I wish all who celebrate Easter or Passover joy and peace.

  22. Aw, shit…I can see a Bob Dylan type not texting, twittering or blogging. I am a big fan of the silent type like John Cusack, who you NEVER hear from. He keeps saying the same old stuff about not having a girlfriend, AI is like riding on a rocket ship, etc. Hey, I’m one of the biggest sane fans he could have. I’ve been a fan since the beginning, but I think I’m about to check out. I’ll always love the guy, but the same old sound bites from him have got me pretty hopeless. Thanks for tolerating my silliness folks..I have been sooo amused and enlightened by so many of you! Have a great Passover and Easter everyone! Momo

  23. Somebody needs to give him career advice, rosie. And aren’t you giving him advice when you tell him to stay in Grease? Or even keep doing what you’re doing?

    Hope you feel better soon.

  24. That’s what I’m afraid of…whatever fans he has left are going to hit the road and not on the way to see Grease either.

  25. I don’t mean to be negative Grey, but Really! You were the last outpost of sanity for me…You are so intelligent and your musical sensibility is amazing. I’m a big fan of your Last.Fm recommations. But whenever I check this site out lately, it’s all about fantarding. I mean no offense to anyone. I was the BIGGEST fantard out there. I just thought Itsallgrey.wordpress.com could evolve into a really cool site for music like GC might have been. Hey, we all evolve. Curse me if you will, but I thought this place was about being real…

  26. Oh, I’ve tried to bring the music, momo. Honestly I have.

    I posted about Front Wheels. Got 15 comments.
    I posted about Matt Nathanson, Will Hoge, Marc Broussard, Foy Vance, The Savannah Leigh Band, Otis Redding, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke. Nobody wants to talk about music unless it pertains to Taylor.

    Yeah, I would love to talk about music, but it seems that I just talk to myself most of the time.

  27. iag, I bet his dad and even his Grandmom and brother Shawn give him career advice. The AI guys and Arista execs gave him advice. Years ago some recording people in Nashville suggested he’d not make it there and to go to LA to try his luck. I kinda think some folks connected with his latest CD gave him some advice. He’s had advice from everyone from stylist to makeup artists, from ardent fans to Joe Blow on the street and probably from Bill Will, musicians, friends and just about every female he ever dated more than thrice. I can’t recall my giving him any advice about Grease or singing, his vocabulary, choices in life, music, career, women, family or his finances. Last summer I told him I enjoyed his song ‘Somehow’, and the old school simple 3 basic chord songs. I have never mentioned that Taylor should stay in Grease. I have heard him say that he enjoys it. The cone opens, he gets aplause, then he sings and acts and gets more attention and a good paycheck. He gets to play his harp and sing a song from his new CD. He does a concert gig at least once a month and appears on local TV and radio stations. At 29 he was washed up, poor, unsuccessful and faced having to get a “real job”. Then as Simon said, “magic”. But it was Never “magic”, IAG, it was always just Taylor Hicks.

  28. This was in no way a criticism of you! I’m sorry I wasn’t there those days or else you wouldn’t be able to shut me up! I truly love your attempts and I hope to contribute to your musical discussions in the future! So what do you think about Kings of Leon? My favorite new group!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0mvOphwq1U Kick ass group of the year. Listen up Mr. Hicks!!!

  29. Wow..I’ve actually never listened to them. I do like that song. They remind me of Coldplay a bit. Maybe it’s just that song. Thanks!!

  30. I work with a lot of women in their late 20’s (Much younger than me) but I actually found this band!..I also loooove Coldplay, especially since I’ve been lamely trying to learn to play the guitar (for the 100th time!)

  31. Yeah, I have no musical ability whatsoever. I used to play the piano…like when I was eight.

    *sigh*

  32. Here’s an amazing band you referred to a couple of weeks agohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXr3CCQPxJY
    They are eerie, but awesome!!!!

  33. “Listen up Mr. Hicks!!!” Or not. Last I heard there was freedom of speech and listening.

  34. Oh rosie, where’s your sense of humor? 🙂

  35. Haha, I swallowed it with my last tbls of cough meds. Thanks for the blog and wishing me well and hope you get your favorite flavor of jellybeans in your Easter Basket.

  36. pearlpattie Says:

    I think Taylor can do it all in the same vein as Harry Connick seems to do music, plays and movies….he has his whole life ahead of him to persue any avenue he wishes….he has looks, charisma, and talent….he’s an entertainer pure and simple.

  37. Oh Snap Rosie! I’m all about Freedom of speech. So Grey, can you make it a requirement that all posters recommend one new band each day they post? or something like that? I love your recommendation of James Morrison, I listen to him all the time now. Thank you and your great musical taste!

  38. Momo, could not resist your response to my post. Fans can yak about whatever, Taylor Hickswise, music, singers, groups, but Taylor Hicks is Always free to ignore all of it and to do what he wishes. Requirements and recommends from fans and the guy on the street just suck, big time. Don’t you get THAT? Even Snow gets that! True, IAG, could recommend anything she wishes from her posters. But she won’t dictate what they say as long as they are polite and believe in their opinion.

  39. It was just a friendly suggestion, and I believe I was being polite and I GET that! The suggestion about posting music had nothing to do with you., but just my need to hear different opinions and music from people whose taste I appreciate. I didn’t mean to offend you. It had nothing to do with IAG dictating to anyone and I think she got that! Peace :=)

  40. casualfan Says:

    momo, some posters can’t handle anything besides puppies and glitter farts when it comes to Mr. Hicks. These same posters hang out on several other blogs praising Taylor and that he can do no wrong. This site however allows different opinions which is really needed and appreciated.

  41. casualfan Says:

    I know some of you think that Grease is the greatest career move that Taylor has made since the invention of toilet paper but I can’t help but wonder if his Grease contract obligations stipulate that he can’t schedule any shadow tour dates that may affect his Grease performance. Since Grease is paying the bills, his top priority is to them and ensuring that he’s well rested and goes to as many performances as possible. As most of us know, he wore himself to the ground doing the AI tour and the shadow tour which prevented him from recording when he should have been. IF this is true, then YES….Grease is a bad move because he is committing suicide with his music career which I thought was his first love.

    Sometimes we all have to make choices and from what I see, Taylor has chosen his path and it’s not with the music.

  42. casualfan Says:

    Haha, I swallowed it with my last tbls of cough meds. Thanks for the blog and wishing me well and hope you get your favorite flavor of jellybeans in your Easter Basket.
    ======================
    Rosie, I hope you feel better soon. Those spring colds can be a total bitch

  43. Thanks for the reality check Cf!! Please share music you love!
    I’m using my iPod touch for the first time!! Please excuse spelling errors

  44. casualfan Says:

    different types of music is welcomed here momo and feel welcomed to share. There are those of us…Grey very much included who love good music and good musicians. Just because some of us don’t care for the pimped out ice-cream cone doesn’t make us “bad fans” LOL!

  45. casualfan Says:

    This is a post I found on a blog in response to the new Lindsey Lohan music video (eeek)

    Stephen K wrote: “I thought this was about music? None of these people have anythng to do with music. They are not artists, they are entertainers pretending to be artists.”
    —————————————
    Seems the same thing is being questioned over here, only in reverse 😉

  46. taylorfan06 Says:

    Hey iag, why don’t you let Taylor know what’s cool so he can get that cd out to you. Unbelievable!!!

  47. jerseyirish Says:

    I agree some just aren’t capable of doing more than just putting out music, Taylor on the other and has it all going on, why shouldn’t he explore other options that may interest him if the offers are there?

    JI

  48. jerseyirish Says:

    Rosie, I agree all the talk in the world will not change his course, this is his life and his choices either you accept what he offers of himself or move on. I don’t see him changing anything at this point he can and will do it all, he has the ability and charm to pull it off.

    Feel better, hope you get your favorite jelly beans!!! 🙂

    JI

  49. littlewing Says:

    The most popular level, $50, got donors an advance copy of the CD and a “thank you” mention in the liner notes. For $500, fans got their names incorporated into the album’s final track, appropriately titled The Donor Song

    OK, this just seems so wrong to me. It’s bribery. First time I’ve ever heard of an artist that “sells out” to the fans. Can you just imagine if TH embarked on something similar? What NIN did was cool…but they’re NIN and already have a huge fanbase.

    The thing about the Grease gig is, it’s something that just happened that wasn’t given forethought by Mr. Hicks. It’s a good paycheck, but it is not the optimum way to get his new music out there. He has all the online tools he needs, but is not taking full advantage of them.

    Grey, I am very limited on what music I can check out from home (dial up hell) and work has blocked most of the video/music streams that I used to take full advantage of. Damn them! haha I may not can watch a lot of vids, but I am sometimes able to sample their music at Napster or other online music stores. So thanks!

  50. Not going to give Taylor advice, because what the hell do I know, seriously?

    His career path is his, and his alone, to choose. But, I do have every right to choose whether or not I want to walk behind him on the particular fork in the road that he has chosen. And to be honest, I am not a huge fan of music theater, which seems to be his primary focus right now.

    So that’s where I am at. I like Taylor. I am pulling for Taylor. I wish him the best and all that, but he’s gone from “bringing real music back to fucking pop music” to twittering from the cone . . . *heavy sigh*

    Well anyway . . . Momo and IAG, I really like Kings of Leon, but I don’t own any of their music. I do own a LOT of Coldplay. Love them. Have you ever heard of Travis? They are a Scottish band that sometimes reminds me of Coldplay, but kind of softer and more melodic or something. Such a cool band. I love them.

    Oh, and check out this awesome cover they do in concert, hee hee

    I bought three new CDs yesterday. The new Derek Trucks Band, Already Free . . . so damn good. Keb Mo, Keep It Simple . . . so damn good too. And Sufjan Stevens, Greetings From Michigan the Great Lake State . . . I am currently obsessing on him. Also so damn good.

  51. spinshack Says:

    JI this puts Hicks in that position of being one of what did Pattinson call it? Oh yes, a franchise artist. So when his new fragrance comes out (Soul Scents perhaps…) or his clothing line, wait that’s the butterfly shirts (??) or his naked calendar fans should rally to purchase those?

    The man claims to want to be a musician. Once or maybe 40 times he’s said he’d be happy playing Steak and Ales if that is what it means to be able to play his music.

    So many sound bites out of the guy that end up creating a circle within themselves.

  52. spinshack Says:

    They’re an interesting band, been reading up on them lately. Nice sound.

  53. spinshack Says:

    Regarding vids and musical interest conversations not getting hits, that’s a similar issue the other Gray had on his site.

    If I like a musical interest you have up – such as Foy Vance, I’ll talk about them, if you have up someone I’m not wild about, I don’t. The guys you saw in Atlanta certainly have talent but I wasn’t ready to hunt down their music. Just a matter of taste. You can hear bands like that here in Dallas on a regular basis in the nightclub scene.

    BTW at one of my local grocers last week ran into one of the Los Lonely Boys. They’re doing a concert in the area soon. My inner TardQueen was just screaming to get out. lol

  54. Ahhh Los Lonely Boys!! I love them lol.

    Okay… just wanna wish everyone a Happy Easter. Careful not to consume too much sugar hahaha.

  55. spinshack Says:

    Happy Easter and Passover by the way. Kiddo still sleeping so just hanging having coffee.

    Rose you need one of my cold remedies: 2 shots Jack Daniels, 1 cup hot water, squeeze of lemon and 1 T of honey. It’s a cold killer.

  56. jerseyirish Says:

    Spin, I usually listen to all the videos that iag puts up, have learned about many musicians out there I didn’t know about, but don’t know enough about them other than to comment I enjoyed it.

    Happy Easter/Passover to everyone!!!:)

    JI

  57. jerseyirish Says:

    Spin, Hubby always goes your method for colds, son just says give me the Jack its a cure all for what ever ails you.

    Rosie, Hope your feeling better today, enjoy your day!! 🙂

    JI

  58. jerseyirish Says:

    Christa, Enjoy your day, don’t do baskets for my two anymore, but they love the chocolate bunnies, still do that with some cash for them.

    JI

  59. What IS fantarding? I thought it was about gushing over everything a celebrity does. I don’t see that happening here. Maybe I got the deifinition wrong? (I’m not being snarky! I really don’t know. 🙂 )

  60. I always thought Taylor should tap into the talent within his fanbase for photos, videos, (T-shirt ideas. haha), whatever. I’ll bet most would do it for free and there are a lot of creative people among us (like itsallgrey!). But I guess that coud get sticky knowing how jealous some of the fans get if someone seems to be ‘special.’

    I don’t think he should ask for monetary contributions. That would backfire, I think. The press would be all over it. “Now he’s beggng for money!!”

    Let’s do a bit of fan helping-outing (can you tell that I have a degree in English?) by giving Taylor some twittering ideas.

    Things to tweet about:

    1.

    I got nothin.’

  61. To me, I can see getting your fans to fund your album AND/or doing the small theater part BOTH as creative ways to get your music financed. (I personally think it sounds kind of weird to get your fans to fund it.) I don’t see doing theater and “keeping it about the music” as being mutually exclusive.

    Some of you are just really on his case all the time about Grease. You don’t like it and accuse him repeatedly of abandoning the music, and now, of only caring about money because he’s not doing things like some of these other artists are. (“They care about the music and not the money.”) Sorry, I don’t believe any of that. I don’t agree he’s abandoned his music. Everybody needs to make a living. He’s doing it one way and I’m sure not everyone agrees it was a good idea, BUT IT WAS TO HIM.

    And while it is important to express your opinions, (I’m sure he likes to know what his fans think, positive or negative) don’t be surprised if he doesn’t follow your career advice. I wonder if he read here, if the repeated accusations of no longer caring about the music and “only caring about money” would be getting tiresome to him?

    I do agree he most definitely needs to get on the ball and start connecting with his fans more. And I wish he could do more concerts than he’s able to do at this time. One every few weeks is really not enough. It’s too bad he’s stuck in one city for so long. But remember he IS performing his single nearly every day to what, a thousand people? (Is it that much?) Do that many people attend his concerts? Do the same people keep attending his concerts, while Grease is pretty much a new group of potential fans every day? Do these other artists get to perform one of their songs to that many potential new fans 8 times a week?

    I still say it’s too soon to tell if this is working or not. I want to see what happens when he releases another one or two singles, and/or performs on AI. If this process he’s trying doesn’t work he’ll come up with something else. He may even try some of these other methods. Who knows? He has NOT given up on his music IMO. If he ever does, it may be that he has come to the conclusion that he’s not going to make it. (Please don’t ever do that Taylor!)

  62. To me, I can see getting your fans to fund your album AND/or doing the small theater part BOTH as creative ways to get your music financed. (I personally think it sounds kind of weird to get your fans to fund it.) I don’t see doing theater and “keeping it about the music” as being mutually exclusive.

    Some of you are just really on his case all the time about Grease. You don’t like it and accuse him repeatedly of abandoning the music, and now, of only caring about money because he’s not doing things like some of these other artists are. (”They care about the music and not the money.”) Sorry, I don’t believe any of that. I don’t agree he’s abandoned his music. Everybody needs to make a living. He’s doing it one way and I’m sure not everyone agrees it was a good idea, BUT IT WAS TO HIM.

    And while it is important to express your opinions, (I’m sure he likes to know what his fans think, positive or negative) don’t be surprised if he doesn’t follow your career advice. I wonder if he read here, if the repeated accusations of no longer caring about the music and “only caring about money” would be getting tiresome to him?

    I do agree he most definitely needs to get on the ball and start connecting with his fans more. And I wish he could do more concerts than he’s able to do at this time. One every few weeks is really not enough. It’s too bad he’s stuck in one city for so long. But remember he IS performing his single nearly every day to what, a thousand people? (Is it that much?) Do that many people attend his concerts? Do the same people keep attending his concerts, while Grease is pretty much a new group of potential fans every day? Do these other artists get to perform one of their songs to that many potential new fans 8 times a week?

    I still say it’s too soon to tell if this is working or not. I want to see what happens when he releases another one or two singles, and/or performs on AI. If this process he’s trying doesn’t work he’ll come up with something else. He may even try some of these other methods. Who knows? He has NOT given up on his music IMO. If he ever does, it may be that he has come to the conclusion that he’s not going to make it. (Please don’t ever do that Taylor!)

  63. I wish he would have done that for the art work for The Distance! I’m not fond of it at all. LOL

    He should tweet about what he did that day… ANYTHING. LOL

    What he saw (in SF?) and what he thought of it.

    Movies.

    Music he listened to.

    “Working on a new song about……..”

    What was the crowd like that day at Grease.

    “I’m sick!”

    I’m better today…

    His fans would pretty much just eat up any thing he would tweet about I think, not matter how mundane. What do the other “starts” tweet about? Is it all profound thoughts all the time? Or “just bought a new pair of jeans at the Gap.” LOL

  64. Good ideas! I think the everyday is what twittering is about, so talking about buying jeans would be appropriate.

  65. Everyone has an opinion of what Taylor should do, and who he should be. Did you ever stop to think that perhaps the Taylor you are dreaming of … only lives in your dreams?

    I’m with you all… hell, I learned to text votes for Hicks! I really thought that this guy would put out music that I would love. I saw him as a really cool, handsome, fun artist. Being a part of the SP and knowing that he loved all of us, was all I needed to hold on.

    But what I have now, is two albums not even as good as his pre-idol Cd’s, a joke wearing wings, and a fellow so full of himself that he pimps his meet and greets.

    For me.. the bubble has burst.

    *laying down my Sp badge and sadly movin on.*

  66. I completely understand where you’re coming from. Maybe that Taylor doesn’t exist. Maybe he never did. But the guy I hear on UTR and heard at shadow tours is not the same guy that is in that angel suit now. And yeah, the pimping of the meet and greets left a bad taste in alot of people’s mouths, I think.

  67. casualfan Says:

    OUCH! I threw my SP badge out the window last summer. It had nothing to do with Taylor, it was the horrible way some of the fans were treating others.

    You are right…the bottom line is what Taylor wants and he does seem like a Diva these days. But on the other hand, I had a long conversation with the man when he was here in LA and was very sweet and seemed sincere and well, tired. Bill on the other hand needs an attitude adjustment.

  68. Wow..they actually make a Britney song good.

    Nice!!

  69. Awww, I’m sure Bill was just protecting his…friend.

  70. casualfan Says:

    Bill needs to be bitched slapped.

    There was a direct quote from Taylor over on the TMS board one time taken from an interview that went like this….”They can take the money, the stage, the fame and the fortune…they can have it all, but just LEAVE ME THE MUSIC!”

    Now what the hell happened to the man that quoted that?

  71. casualfan Says:

    I agree-ever read John Mayer’s Tweets? The man Twitters about anything! So does Paula Abdule and Ryan Seacrest. Ryan just twittered about how many chocolate eggs he ate today and is now pissing yolks or something silly…LOL!

  72. spinshack Says:

    Hicks last night twittered he was watching his own video and left a link to it. Man, talk about loving yourself. Geez.

  73. spinshack Says:

    Take too when he twitters it’s all about himself and his promo that ‘s on the sad side. Still riding the fence with “Grease”; understand the whole artist who needs money thing. LOL

  74. spinshack Says:

    Man, apparently that same guy was the one saying he would play Steak and Ales forever if it meant getting his music out. Nice sound bites.

    His last interview with the SFO View sounded so full of himself when he was talking about being an instrumentalist. I actually said, “What!” at that video. hahaha. Yeah. Humble.

  75. spinshack Says:

    Or perhaps Bill just feeling the moment and the fanfare.

  76. JumpedtheShark Says:

    Taylor once made a pretty good living playing music before AI. So, uh, I don’t and won’t get the Grease gig. I’m one of those fans that left the fanbase because it and he became such a joke. Such a sorry waste of talent.

  77. casualfan said: “I know plenty of Musicians who simply love what they are doing and the money is secondary to them.”

    You imply that T doesn’t love what he’s doing. How do you know that? Maybe he does? Maybe he actually DOES think this is great, like he has said again and again, and the money is just an added bonus? Maybe he saw this as a new road to head down, hoping to find more opportunity for his music there?

    ==================================
    “These Musicians aren’t mainstream, but they are happy, provide for their families, have small but very dedicated fan followings and have a great time doing what they love doing. For them it really is ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC.

    This is SUCH a generality. WHO are you talking about? Every musician who “doesn’t” do Broadway? How many actually have the opportunity to in the first place? You certainly can not be talking about The MAJORITY of indie musicians. I think it’s wonderful that some of them have come up with creative ways to stick with it and come up with ways to get by and keep playing their music. But I doubt that is the majority, or even a very high percentage. The few musicians I have known personally are pretty poor and struggle to make ends meet. My nephew is in several bands and still has to give private music lessons to pay his bills. (And he does not even have a family yet.) If not for that he would have to give up completely. He has a music degree from UT, plays sax, piano, and other instruments, and composes. Yes, he stays in music because he loves it. But now we all know Taylor must not really love music any more because he decided to take a part in a Broadway musical. Being Teen Angel means he has abandoned his music, even though he went in the studio and produced a record at the same time, and is now promoting while on the road with the play.

  78. Amazing, huh? When I first heard it, I thought, “Well, hot damn! The song is good, it’s the singer who sucks.” 😛

  79. I agree with you . pearlpattie. I think Taylor can do it all. (
    At least I think he should give it a damn good try)And as much as we all love the music Taylor did on his early cds, we have to remember Taylor tried for years to sell those to the big wigs…nobody was buying. Since Taylor is the one with all the “rejection slips” for that music…I’m thinking he knows better than I what you have to do to have any kind of music career these days. Since I am not the one the press likes to report on regarding my career I won’t presume to know what I would do in Taylor’s shoes. I’m sure he would love to bring REAL music back to fucking pop…but nobody wants to buy what we call real music. They want the fucking pop….I mean Early Works had all that great pre idol music and who bought it? I love it …but I love his 2 post idol cd’s too. Not every song on both cds..but a lot of them and certainly more than on most other cd’s I’ve bought lately. I’m hoping one of these songs will hit big and Taylor will be able to then do the music he loves the way he wants to do it . Until then I’ll just be a fan enjoy the music he puts out that I like and not listen to the ones I don’t..just like I do with every other artist I listen to.
    And as for Taylor keeping in touch with his fans…I am a fan of many artists and don’t look for daily comunication from any of them. Tweeting about what he’s doing daily…did he buy new jeans…what movies he has seen…Not my business…. If he is booking some concerts or something regarding his music OK…but that is not going to be daily or maybe even monthly
    I love his voice, IMO he has put out some real good music and I am a fan for life. He’s doing fine by me …just like the other artists I’ve been a fan of for years.

  80. Hi everyone. I was feeling sicker by the hour so I went to one of those open 365 days a year medical facility. Good thing I did because the xray showed I have broncheitis that was about turn turn into pnemonia in the left lobe. So now I have an inhaler and an antibiotic and hopefully they will do the trick. Now lets see: Would Taylor laugh or cry if he read this thread?

  81. Spin, he also thanked the interviewer for having him on about 6 times and he thanked the audience. He mentioned that the concert gives him a chance to play the harp and guitar and that folks got to see him in a different format from Grease. Shouldn’t he use his TV appearances to promote his music talent and gigs? I thought he came across as cute, modest, polite and nice.

  82. “A pretty good living?” Really? I’m curious to know how good of a living, and how you know that.

    Some of you got on my case when I said the old “move on” bit, but you can read above and several have said that very thing. They’ve moved on… and that is OK when you don’t like where someone has gone. I think that is better than repeatedly beating him up for all the wrong things you think he is doing.

  83. I’m glad you got some medical care rosie. Get well!

    I don’t know if he would laugh or cry, but I think he might be hurt by a lot of it. But what do I know? He might actually be diva who’s just full of himself, doesn’t care about his music any more, a sell-out who only cares about money, a joke, and a sorry waste of talent??? 😦 (I hope he’s NOT reading it…..)

  84. casualfan Says:

    Hi everyone. I was feeling sicker by the hour so I went to one of those open 365 days a year medical facility. Good thing I did because the xray showed I have broncheitis that was about turn turn into pnemonia in the left lobe. So now I have an inhaler and an antibiotic and hopefully they will do the trick. Now lets see: Would Taylor laugh or cry if he read this thread?
    —————————–
    rosie, I’m glad you are feeling better. One year I was so sick that I actually broke out in little red dots all over the place. I had bronchitis that turned into base pneumonia…not fun. Get well soon and Happy Easter 😉

    I think Taylor wouldn’t give a shit what is said on this thread or any other blog for that matter. I think he’s passed the point of no return-IMO

  85. Yeah, CF. I’m wondering that too.

  86. Yeah, I was just thinking that CF, I don’t think Taylor reads this blog or any other, for that matter.

    He seems a little too busy to update HQ, as promised. He seems too busy to have more than one shadow tour a month. He just seems a little too busy for his fans.

  87. casualfan Says:

    But he’s time to tweet in his cone…LOL!

    I wouldn’t hold my breath about anymore shadow tour dates. IF there is any, they will be on the fly and far between. He’s leaving the country for a month or so during the summer to tour in Asia or somewhere, but besides that I doubt the south will be graced with much besides Grease.

  88. Being Teen Angel means he has abandoned his music, even though he went in the studio and produced a record at the same time, and is now promoting while on the road with the play.

    Rajrae, unfortunately, it seems to me that touring this record is an afterthought. One show a month isn’t much promotion.

  89. Well, yay. Asia gets a tour? 😐

    Goodie for them. 🙄

  90. Yeah, fans are leaving. Do you really think he’s getting new ones to replace them? If that were the case, if he were picking up new fans because of Grease, he sure in the hell would have sold a lot more than 15000 cd’s.

  91. casualfan Says:

    it’sallgrey wrote: Yeah, fans are leaving. Do you really think he’s getting new ones to replace them? If that were the case, if he were picking up new fans because of Grease, he sure in the hell would have sold a lot more than 15000 cd’s.
    —————————————-
    I’m with you. I’m guessing all these “new fans” are all located on some virtual cosmic plane where he visits them daily in his glittery cone. Maybe SoundScan doesn’t have the technology yet to track those special cd sales….pffft

  92. spinshack Says:

    Is it like that last Asia tour? A few shopping mall appearances?

  93. spinshack Says:

    “I thought he came across as cute, modest, polite and nice.”

    Rose, your name is fitting, you obviously were looking at that through rose colored glasses. I did not get that impression. I think too when he said that, the interviewer cut him a ‘look’. Seriously, he wasn’t in the Humble Zone.

  94. casualfan Says:

    Is it like that last Asia tour? A few shopping mall appearances?
    ——————————
    Spin, maybe he will grace us with a tweet that says “entering food court now”-ya think?

  95. casualfan Says:

    where is this interview again? I didn’t catch that one. LOL!

  96. Hicks last night twittered he was watching his own video and left a link to it. Man, talk about loving yourself. Geez.
    ==========
    You’re following an imposter because that was not on his official twitter. 0_o He was twittering from the cone again but nothing about watching a video. Not that fond of Grease, but hey we all got our opinions.

    As for View From The Bay…. I didn’t really detect any arrogant vibes from him. He seemed pretty nice and did well considering he was sick. And no he isn’t perfect, he’s had his cocky moments where I’m like “Woah, slow down bud.” but ey, everyone has those.

    As stated before, he really needs to connect with fans more. Perhaps a bit more twittering besides from the cone.

  97. I don’t see that one. Are you sure that’s a”real” Taylor Twitter?

  98. jerseyirish Says:

    Christa, I didn’t see any video’s from his tweet last night either, thought maybe he was tweeting with folks privately.

    Also thought the View interview was nice, I have been told he was sick and wasn’t sure he was going on or not.

    Hope everyone enjoyed the Holiday!!! 🙂

    JI

  99. You sure you’re following this one?
    http://www.twitter.com/TaylorRHicks

    You’re following a different one that isn’t him.

  100. I’m curious to know exactly how many they sell at the shows. I read they don’t get counted bye the soundscan thing.

  101. I really DO know the difference between “by” and “bye.” LOL

  102. Hi Soulaz! I LOVE and have loved Travis! They sang “Why Does it Always Rain on Me, right? Awesome sound! Keep em coming! Now I’m off to listen to your links! I’m such an anglophile!

  103. Yea, I agreed he needs to do more concerts, but I was including singing his single at every performance in “promoting” the cd. What other indie artists get to do anything like that on an almost daily basis? AND sell it after the performances? It does need more wide-spread promotion though, that’s for sure.

  104. casualfan Says:

    there is a taylorhicks on twitter that’s not our taylor.

  105. Thanks for the Travis link, Soulaz! They’ve been a favorite of mine for a couple of years. I know everyone is familiar with Ray LaMontagne. I’ve been totally enjoying Gossip in the Grain. But here’s a version from the BBC 4 sessions which are totally awesome! (and I very seldom use that word). I can really see why Taylor was so moved by this man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIUSikXex5w

  106. casualfan Says:

    rajrae wrote:
    I’m curious to know exactly how many they sell at the shows. I read they don’t get counted bye the soundscan thing.
    ———————————————————–
    rajrae, they are counted by SoundScan before they leave the warehouse. Taylor’s “Tour Manager” or “Merch Manager” orders the cd’s just like everyone else who sells them and they scan them before they are shipped. At least that is how it was explained at one time.

  107. Here’s what I found on venue sales…

    http://johnstringer.wordpress.com/2009/ … soundscan/
    Here is a piece of the article:
    CHALLENGE
    Since most independent artists sell the majority of their CDs at live shows, this is one of the most crucial areas to report to SoundScan, but for most independent artists, these sales go unreported and therefore, unaccounted for in SoundScan’s US sales numbers, unless the artist is set up for Venue Sales reporting (aka Venue Verification Program) through SoundScan.

    In order to qualify for Venue Sales reporting, an artist must be a part of a record label that:

    i. Has been in business for 2 years
    ii. has two or more artist on the label
    iii. pays the annual $500 SoundScan fee

    Once the above requirements are met, an artist can participate in the SoundScan Venue Sales Reporting program, but since most independent artists can’t meet the above requirements (because they aren’t record labels and aren’t singed to a record label), their venue sales typically go unreported. Once the independent artist goes after a record deal, they then find out that the Record labels (and distributors) want to see their SoundScan numbers – a real catch 22….

  108. jerseyirish Says:

    cf, Has there been an official announcement that he is going to Asia, I haven’t read anything yet, just saw the dates missing from his myspace.

    JI

  109. casualfan Says:

    Interesting article and if that is correct, that doesn’t help Taylor’s sales. What venues he has done has been few and playing for at the most 500 per venue and not everyone is buying merch so throw in another what….600 or so in cd sales? Don’t think he’s going platnium anytime soon.

  110. I’m sorry, but if he’s going to sing WRIR as a representation of his album, he’s not going to sell alot.

  111. casualfan Says:

    On a funny and interesting note…I see that “BradleyHicks” is following Taylor on Twitter and some of the SP has found him and now following him….LOL!

  112. spinshack Says:

    Yeah. Like “hmmm, Sabarros or Chik-fil-a?”

  113. jerseyirish Says:

    Christa, Kelly Ripa said someone was “twittering” using her name, that she has never used or gone to “twitter” so it is possible someone could be using his name.

    I have the same messages on mine that you do.

    JI

  114. spinshack Says:

    That’s the one I had. *shrugs*

  115. casualfan Says:

    I actually found a Chik-fil-a here on my way to Big Bear last weekend. I LOVE that place. I thought they were only in the southern states.

  116. I agree, WRIR is not a good representation. He needs a new single and fastttt.

  117. spinshack Says:

    Well, I’m really not that concerned. I thought it was funny. I’m not seriously ticked off if that’s where the concern lie. Just thought it sort of fit in with the whole interview vibe. Which I’m not mad at either. I don’t sit and angst over Taylor Hicks, I can guarantee all of you guys that much. hahaha. I like him when I like him and when I see something strange or interesting I comment about it. He’s not my shiny thing anymore. That doesn’t mean I don’t like what he does when it’s good.

  118. On the twitter note… yes there is an imposter with the post that spin had thought was him.
    The link below is NOT Taylor-
    twitter.com/taylorhicks

    ^^Imposter.

  119. spinshack Says:

    Like sheep to a shepherd/ hahahaha.

    Don’t have time for twittering Taylor tonight. School day tomorrow.
    Adios.

  120. spinshack Says:

    Well, I just put in for Taylor Hicks and that’s what I got. Vid was a TH vid in the link. Post the right one then Christa since you know the wrong one. lol

  121. casualfan Says:

    cf, Has there been an official announcement that he is going to Asia, I haven’t read anything yet, just saw the dates missing from his myspace.
    ————————————————–
    JI-My post said “Asia or somewhere”.

  122. spinshack Says:

    Ok got that one too. There’s another one as well.

  123. spinshack Says:

    He’s not twittered much. That other dude has him beat. ha.

  124. casualfan Says:

    And I find that sad indeed because he really seems passionate with that song and it’s a shame that it’s not doing anything. I only watched the vid once and that was enough. I skip the song when I listen to the cd. I really like the title track and SMB.

  125. casualfan Says:

    LOL!

  126. casualfan Says:

    The SP has some serious brass balls to “follow” the dad, the brother and the uncle. I’m not even that daring.

  127. CF, I’m not sure why you’re surprised by anything the SP does.

  128. casualfan Says:

    on the other hand he could go deep sea diving or deep sea fishing naked in the Caribbean with friends.

  129. spinshack Says:

    Why would you want to follow them anyway? LOLz

  130. spinshack Says:

    Like that last trip to the Caribbean? hahaha

  131. casualfan Says:

    Well for the most part I’m not, but every once in awhile some like to throw in zingers that amuse me…LOL!

  132. I registered on Twitter about a month ago and wasn’t really impressed. At that time, I found Taylor’s account and “followed” him for a couple of days. He only had one entry. I have since de-activated my account, because only a few of my friends were on it. I just don’t get the appeal. Even Ryan Seacrest and John Mayer’s twittering wasn’t that interesting. I’d rather follow my “real” friends on Facebook! And following his dad, brother and Uncle?? I’m with you CF, What the What????

  133. Oh, I’m sure they’ll spill private details of Taylor’s life. 🙄

    Yeah, right.

  134. casualfan Says:

    I don’t

  135. spinshack Says:

    So far, the little time I’ve hit it, not that interesting.

  136. spinshack Says:

    “Oh, I’m sure they’ll spill private details of Taylor’s life.”

    Yep, they’re seeking that ‘inside’ information. *giggles*

  137. casualfan Says:

    I’m following Ryan and Paula now….Paula is boring as hell but Ryan and John Mayer are a little interesting. I noticed too that alot of these gossip mags and online gossip sites are getting their Intel from twitter. They follow peeps like Lindsey Lohan who uses her twitter to write her personal stuff.

  138. casualfan Says:

    Well that’s pretty flipping sad if you have to go thru twitter to get the ‘inside’ info…LOL!

  139. spinshack Says:

    She’s an idiot. 🙄

  140. casualfan Says:

    I’ve been following Demi Moore these past few days and I find her very interesting. She seems to enjoy her twittering and communicates with her fans. She’s been introduced to several musicians and different types of music which she hasn’t heard before…all from her interaction with her fans.

  141. casualfan Says:

    Spin wrote: Like that last trip to the Caribbean? hahaha
    —————————-
    Yep

  142. Wow . . . that really IS awesome. I really love Ray LaMontagne.

    And I am so tickled that you know of and love Travis. They’ve kind of been my “secret band” for years . . . I so seldom come across anyone who has heard of them. 😀

  143. Following his dad and brother? Wtf? That’s kinda creepy. 😐

  144. Where did you hear about this Asia thing, CF?

  145. I don’t see how that works… I mean, unless a star chooses to follow someone, the fan can’t send them messages. Brittney has over 650,000 followers. Certainly they can’t send her tweets.

  146. So do you consider the Grease performances as falling into the “venue” category? Or are you just talking about the shadow concerts?

    I wouldn’t think T expects this to go platinum…(Do indie albums ever go platinum?) I guess it could if one of the songs is a big hit. IF…

  147. He may be holding off to coordinate it with an AI appearance.

    I like WRIR, and I think the video is great. I’ve been skipping it only because I got a little tired of it but listed tonight. It’s a good song. Too bad it didn’t get more radio play.

  148. He may be holding off to coordinate it with an AI appearance.

    I like WRIR, and I think the video is great. I’ve been skipping it only because I got a little tired of it but listened tonight. It’s a good song. Too bad it didn’t get more radio play.

  149. casualfan Says:

    rajrae Says:

    April 12, 2009 at 11:05 pm
    I don’t see how that works… I mean, unless a star chooses to follow someone, the fan can’t send them messages. Brittney has over 650,000 followers. Certainly they can’t send her tweets.
    ———————————————————————————-
    Yes they can. All you do is click to the right of the tweet and type in your message. You can also send them private PM’s. I sent one to Ryan Seacrest and he answered me back.

  150. Wow, I didn’t realize that. So they can actually get tens of thousands of tweets from their fans every day? When would they have the time to read them all?

    So is anybody sending Taylor messages?

  151. I have not listened to your links yet but plan to. I have been listening to Derek Trucks Band on their website for about a week. I have “Already Free” and one of the live albums in my cart on iTunes, just have not bought them yet. I might just pick and choose songs from all their albums and buy them individually. Really like them a LOT!

  152. This was the first Easter I have not done baskets and I feel SO guilty! LOL But we had so many other activities going on for the past few days I just didn’t have it in me. Plus I’m dieting and didn’t want all that candy in the house to tempt me. 🙂

  153. if you say so Says:

    I may be mistaken, but I don’t remember Taylor saying he was a GREAT instrumentalist, or an AWESOME instrumentalist. Does he play instruments? Yep. I guess that makes him an instrumentalist. It’s part of his job. He calls himself an instrumentalist the same way others call themselves teachers, or writers, for example. IMO it wasn’t a statement on his ability, but rather part of his job description.

  154. Ha, ha. I know I hate that! I remember singing in my car…”why does it always rain on me,must have been because I lied when I was 17..” Love that line. I was a big Morrissey fan in the 80’s so I love all that mope rock stuff! Sorry to “out” your secret :=)

  155. I hope I’m not following an imposter Sunny!!

    *gasp!*

  156. The fact that Seacrest twittered you back, CF, gave me a little thrill.

    Ack!!! I’m such a tard!!!!
    *beats head against desk*

  157. hicksaholic Says:

    If Ryan twittered you back twitter him again and ask about Taylor being on AI.

  158. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    I’m on Twitter too and the only really interesting person I’ve found to follow is Brent Spiner (Data from Star Trek). He’s funny and writes stuff that he prolly made up. Other than that it’s pretty boring.

  159. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    I thought they couldn’t get your tweets unless they were following you?

  160. What did you say to Ryan and what did he say back??!!!! Yea, tell him we are all going to be really PO’d if they don’t have Taylor on this year… I guess I could go do that myself.

    Are you sure it’s the REAL Ryan Seacrest? LOL

    No one says anything about my reluctance to believe the stars actually get tweets from the tens of thousands of fans following them? It doesn’t make sense. It seems like it would be impossible to read even a fraction of them, or reply, plus send out their own tweets. They would do nothing else all day but send and receive tweets.

  161. I really loved Data too RedRose…. He was always my favorite character on TNG.

  162. Me too!! That’s what I keep saying. And I’m on T’s twitter page right now and don’t see a way to send him a tweet or a pm.

  163. OK, I found the little button to “reply.” But I doubt it goes to his phone or home twitter page. I think it’s only going to the two people who are following me, and they are going to think I’m nuts. LOL I asked Taylor how long he had to wait in the cone before it opens and if he ever fell asleep in there. 🙂 I’m sure he’ll never see that.

  164. OK, does anyone get the “Wefollow.com” thing? I can’t figure that out. Wow, now Brittney has nearly 860,000 followers!

  165. spinshack Says:

    The fact she figured out how makes me slap my head on the desk. I’m such an idiot. LOL

  166. It looks like we’re seeing alot of evolution here. Fans wanting to see our boy succeed, but disappointed nonetheless in what they’re getting for their hard-earned dollar. Evolution happens, things rise & fall. Rome, Communism ……. and perhaps Capitalism may be circling the bowl.
    These new ideas by some indie artists just maybe their saving grace. It’s not “begging” per se, but inclusion of the fans into making their visions become a reality. We all change, we wake up each day being a compilation of our prior years plus the past 24 hours of our experiences.
    Music and entertainment is not so different, 50 years ago we were burning Elvis albums.
    A couple years ago, for example, I hated opera, until Paul Potts made me weep. Some of the posters here know who they are and what they like and love, but only for today. Tomorrow, who knows? Spin’s next “shiny new thing” may be an indie artist that used her backyard for his “Woodstock”. LOL

  167. jerseyirish Says:

    CF, If you send a message and they are not following you does it get to them? I finally see where you are saying on the side it says you can send a message.

    Thats really cook that Ryan got back to you.

    JI

  168. He has said there will be a cd tour.

  169. I still don’t get all the ill will towards Grease. As your post stated indie artist are finding new ways to fund their cd’s. Isn’t this what Taylor has done with Grease? All the while keeping his name out there?

    Why is is so horrible that he has used Grease, and that begging your fans for money is way cooler? I don’t understand that one.

    I have not seen Grease, don’t know that I will. But whatever way that Taylor finds to keep the music coming is fine with me.

    There are several Oscar winning actors that go back to Broadway from time to time. Does that mean that they have sold out? I don’t think so.

    I don’t rmember Taylor ever saying that there were going to be mutiple shadow shows in each city. I have only heard that there will be possibly one per city.

    Hasn’t it been stated that this is the first time that cross promotion like this has taken place? They didn’t know going into this promotion if it was going to be successful. It’s probably saving some money, and I would think that Taylor is putting that into getting a tour ready. I think we need to give Taylor kudos for trying it.

  170. A pretty good living? That’s why he was about to quit and get a job in a bank?

  171. spinshack Says:

    Exactly Barb! hahaha I’m like a magpie sometimes. Man it goes with emotions on any particular day, it goes sometimes too with a new sound that catches your ear. Can change your entire attitude and senses just a bit.

    I can tell you one Indie artist who can use my backyard anytime he wants for whatever he wants to do with it. *grins*

  172. ” These new ideas by some indie artists just maybe their saving grace. “

    Not only that but it may be good music’s saving grace.

    This is another look at the grass roots funding process – btw if not familiar with Ellis Paul he has a lot of credibility in his niche market – he is considered to be a major force in modern folk music.
    http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2009/04/12/lighters_down_checkbooks_up/

    There have always been patrons of the arts . . this is just a modern take on that practice . . and is inclusive of those without fat bank accounts.

    I rather like the idea of reducing or eliminating the heavy handed influence of the labels . . it seems like a good thing for the survival of any music outside of the pablum formula pop that the “suits” support.
    How many of the people we consider music greats today would have been given a second look by the major labels of today.

    Fan participation can also be done on a much smaller scale to help a new or regional artist . . recently took part in an effort like that and was delighted to do so. It means we get a CD from the talented young lady sooner than if she had to do things a little bit at a time as money allowed. What I donated above the price of the CD was pretty much the equivalent of dinner for two with drinks . . a CD seems to be a better long term investment.

    Agree completely with this line from the article
    ” The fans aren’t technically just giving money to these artists: They’re buying services. ”

  173. spinshack Says:

    You might be. Could be my twin – I have one on VFTW now. Using my name sans a few vowels. Imitation the sincerest form…

  174. spinshack Says:

    Excellent viewpoint you have brought here.

    Many artists formerly with labels are dumping them to go Indie. Helps though to have an already established name.

  175. spinshack Says:

    If you say so said, “I may be mistaken, but I don’t remember Taylor saying he was a GREAT instrumentalist, or an AWESOME instrumentalist. Does he play instruments? Yep. I guess that makes him an instrumentalist. It’s part of his job. He calls himself an instrumentalist the same way others call themselves teachers, or writers, for example. IMO it wasn’t a statement on his ability, but rather part of his job description.”

    Job description? Since when in interviews such as that do the folks being interviewed reel out a job description? That’s a first if that’s the case. ha.

    He did not have to say he was GREAT or AWESOME. The way he DID say it rather implied more than just a casual mention. Certainly a musician need not call themselves publicly an ‘instrumentalist’. Sounds like he’s ready for a one man symphony performance. Check interview lady’s expression when he says that.

    I also hate how he uses his name to qualify or describe how he does a song or plays music. As in, “Putting the Taylor Hicks’ twist on it”, or “Taylorizing”. Who else does that? Does Chris Martin say he’s “Martinizing” (hahaha) something? Not unless he’s dry cleaning.

  176. The problem with Grease is it’s taking the place of the music. This cd needs toured, and one date a month is not touring it. By the time he gets done with Grease in December there will be no need to tour this cd. Maybe he can sign up for something else, and go fulfill his broadway dreams that way.

  177. spinshack Says:

    From that last interview it sounds likely that no doubt he’s doing just that – looking for another Broadway gig. Them lights be bright.

  178. Agree completely with this line from the article
    ” The fans aren’t technically just giving money to these artists: They’re buying services. ”

    Absolutely agree. I think some artists are realizing that potential that exists within their own fanbases.

  179. What? You don’t like it when he talks of himself in the third person? What’s wrong with that? IAG doesn’t see anything wrong with that. 🙄

    hahahaha

  180. itsallgrey Says:
    April 11, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Oh, I’ve tried to bring the music, momo. Honestly I have.

    I posted about Front Wheels. Got 15 comments.
    I posted about Matt Nathanson, Will Hoge, Marc Broussard, Foy Vance, The Savannah Leigh Band, Otis Redding, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke. Nobody wants to talk about music unless it pertains to Taylor.

    Yeah, I would love to talk about music, but it seems that I just talk to myself most of the time.

    Grey , just a for-what-it’s-worth-opinion, but I think those of us who became regular readers of blogs because of Taylor may have a slightly warped expectation when it comes to responses. Almost none of the non- fan related blogs – music or otherwise – I visit on a regular basis have a lot of comments. Unless I have something specific to say – or ask – I rarely comment. My son does a pretty entertaining eclectic blog and at first I felt bad that he put so much work into what seemed to get little attention . . then he showed me his stats . . comments are definitely not a good indication of visitors to his site.

    Also suspect the blog format contributes to the lack of comments . . I may not get to a site before a topic has fallen down the page . . or a conversation has moved on to the point that any response I might have posted is pointless.

    In this case I brought your post forward from wayyy up-thread in order to respond to you because I wanted to encourage you to keep sharing your music thoughts with us . . even if we do seem unappreciative at times.

  181. opps . . apparently I forgot to close the quote tag – sorry.
    My spiel starts with . . ” Grey , just a for-what-it’s-worth-opinion . . “

  182. spinshack Says:

    “….comments are definitely not a good indication of visitors to his site. “

    That’s very true. I wander among several music sites – comments not necessarily an indication of readers or interest in what the site has to write.

  183. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    LOL! RedRoseSpeedway has always wondered why he does that! 😀

  184. if you say so Says:

    Instrumentalist
    In`stru*men”tal*ist\, n. One who plays upon an instrument of music, as distinguished from a vocalist.

    Sunny, I think you are reading too much into this. It looked to me as thought he was stressing that he was not only a singer, but also someone who plays instruments. But hey, to each their own.

    I am not a fan of the third-person-speak either, but it kinda works better for Taylor just because of the homophone possibilities (Tailor vs Taylor).

  185. spinshack Says:

    What more could I read into this than what you wrote? Just … “spinning” it as I see it. Your tone invited a response so I Sunnily jumped right on in. lol

    If You Say So – Hicks had a guitar in his arms folks watching could see he plays an instrument. I’m sure many folks know he plays the harmonica.

    So with my solar insight I deduced it unnecessary to point out the shining obvious. 😛

  186. casualfan Says:

    sorry, but I’m not asking him about anything regarding Taylor or AI. I responded to a tweet he made about a music group and he sent me back the link to their music.

  187. PurpleButterflies Says:

    Hi everyone. I read that some people weren’t sure if CD’s sold at the Grease shows counted towards sales. They count towards Soundscan, just as CD’s sold at Taylor’s concerts did.

  188. if you say so Says:

    It’s no more obvious than you describing yourself as a writer on your blog…..that you write. Just sayin’…

  189. I agree that Grease is interfering with touring. I think he should have either not signed on for more Grease this year, or waited to release the cd closer to the end of his stint of Grease.

    Brian Gallagher did say that there is going to be a cd tour. Is it going to be too late? Only time will tell.

  190. Spin, I think you and I know this first-hand. We both get more hits than comments. I never understood why.

    I’ve heard other bloggers say that, too. My own sisters don’t comment on my blog because they don’t like that you have to sign in (“They get all this information about me!!”) And I know some people read but don’t comment on controversial blogs. Heaven forbid they should be associated with a blog with a questionable reputation.

    Sorry, that was way off topic, but I’ve always wondered why more people don’t jump in and join the conversation. I think it’s fun.

  191. Awww! Why did you give up? 8 seems like such a cool age to learn an instrument. I was too poor for lessons (please, no sympathy, haha). But I will not give up! I got some guitar lessons for Christmas that I am planning on using soon. Maybe that’s the push I need. Not everyone is a self starter. If that doesn’t work, I’ll just have to “move on” and *SIGH*, acknowledge that I’m a much better listener than musician! Any other budding or “real” musicians here?

  192. Caryl, are you calling this a controversial blog? 😆

  193. Wow Spin, I really like Los Lonely Boys! I’ve heard Heaven before on the radio, but never gave them another listen. Love the guitar riffs and great vocals and harmonizing.

  194. Ah, the Hot Tottie!

  195. I know this topic has been beaten to death, but just to add the last coffin nail…..The problem with Grease is that it’s FREAKIN Cheesy as Hell!! It turns me off and totally ruins any possible street cred he may ever have established or will ever establish. And I’m quite sure that Taylor is totally aware of this and I think I may have, if I listened hard enough, heard his heart break when he made the decision to do it. I still love the guy, but he’s not making any new fans, especially young ones. Can we change the topic now???

  196. OK, so IAG, I know you must be so tired of always having to come up with new topics…How often can you be so brilliant?? Daily is a big expectation! So, how about some recommendations for our lovely host IAG? Any ideas? There are sooooo many brilliant posters here. My lame idea is….What characteristics do you find the most appealing of your fave artists? I love energy, humor on some days, heart and soul on other days. And how does this relate to Taylor Hicks? Hey, maybe he’ll Accidentally find himself on this blog. Why else would we spend hours tarding about someone if there were never a chance of actually meeting or interacting with this individual? So….today I’m in a energetic and humorous mood (can’t you tell). I LOVE this band named Spoon. Hope you do too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqPfCoAp_O0

  197. Ya know, Rosie thinks Taylor rocks.

  198. casualfan Says:

    I agree PBF-as I stated in a post earlier, the cd’s are scanned before they leave the warehouse because in truth, Taylor is “purchasing” the cd’s at wholesale cost to sell at his venues so yes, they should count.

  199. I think he does too Rosie!

  200. To quote Taylor, “maybe.” 🙂

  201. Bigfantoo Says:

    I don’t get why doing Grease is selling out, but his being on American Idol wasn’t. He sold out the moment he took the Idol stage.

    Taylor said he was “keeping it real” and he was going to “bring real music back to pop music” but according to many of you, he hasn’t kept his word. What, exactly, does “keeping it real” mean anyway? What does “bringing back real music” mean? Maybe he has a completely different definition of what those things mean than we do. Why pick on these two statements as examples of him not following through? Haven’t we all learned by now that he’s always creative with the “truth”?

    Re: Marketing

    Any way anyone can get their music out to the fans is great. If a band wants to sell a stake in themselves so they can put out a CD? Good for them. Depending on the artist, I would buy into something like that.

  202. JumpedtheShark Says:

    AHAHAHAHAH

  203. JumpedtheShark Says:

    AHAHAHAHAH

  204. JumpedtheShark Says:

    That was me screaming. This is so beating a dead horse.

    I do enjoy the blog, but all the posts in the world won’t make Taylor twitter, blog, quit Grease, promote his album, do shadow tours, etc, etc, ETC ETC!!

    He has made his career choice.

  205. Ok JTS, when did Taylor Jump the Shark? When was the beginning of the end in your recollection? Hey, he didn’t do any water skiing, ala Fonzie, so when do you think his demise started?

  206. Funny. That looked like you laughing.

  207. spinshack Says:

    Wow Gray, there’s so many nutters out in the internets we just can’t contain all of them.

    Here’s to Jumptheshark, laugh, clown laugh.

  208. ONLINE COMMUNITY MOURNS:
    The Blogging community is said to be deeply saddened today by the sudden death of Grease Topic. The topic fell victim in recent months to lactose intolerance according to the expert reports; setting the rumours of frequent beatings to rest.

    “Grease Topic”
    2008-2009

  209. AHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHH!!!

  210. Too funny Spin! How can that not make you laugh? What a cutie.

  211. JumpedtheShark Says:

    LOL, maybe this is a better scream.

    Grrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaa

    or

    Screeeeeeeeeeeam

    Thanks for the laugh spin.

  212. spinshack Says:

    Ahahaha! That’s more like it. or Rooooaaaarrrr. Wait. Sharks don’t roar. hmmm.

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