Ask and you shall receive….

Big thanks to Charcoal for these…

Oh, and this doesn’t let Taylor off the hook, either. ๐Ÿ˜†

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207 Responses to “Ask and you shall receive….”

  1. hicksaholic Says:

    I hadn’t seen those amazingly enough. Thanks

    I miss Gray’s.

  2. Think you have lots of company in that sentiment, hicksaholic

  3. Well, I don’t think very many people have until now.

  4. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    They are hysterical! Especially the college one- oh that one killed me!

  5. That Tupelo Honey bitโ€ฆ THATโ€™S the music I love. That right there is what makes the โ€œGreaseโ€ deal a bitter pill for me, but I understand itโ€™s a means to an end. Mr. Hicks, like all of us, works for a living. โ€œGreaseโ€ is a job, the shadow tour is all about the music.
    Yeah. I can get behind that.

    Damn cool way to start the day, Charcoal. Thank you very much.
    And thanks to you, Grey, for hosting a forum condusive to all the maddening and enlightening discussion that occurs here.

  6. The “I cheated in fucking spanish” one is the best nine second clip of Taylor ever.

  7. Playford Says:

    Good memories, thanks

  8. I’m glad I brought up the fact that there were more videos. Thanks for sharing them, charcoal (or whatever you want us to call you!)

  9. jerseyirish Says:

    Never saw any of these, thanks for sharing, they were great.

    iag, Loved the Spanish comment also!!! ๐Ÿ™‚

    JI

  10. Oh these are great! He really seems happy and in his element. I’m partial to “Naked In The Jungle”. I’ve heard him sing it live a couple of times and I love it! It’s just a great, feel good beat and well it’s fun to think about, lol! Thanks for posting!!!

  11. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    Ralph? No, only joking. ๐Ÿ˜€

  12. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    I also loved his chair dancing- VERY fun to watch! ๐Ÿ˜›

  13. Ah, it feels like the good ol’ days this mornng.

    Sadly, I think any “inside” views like this are gone for good. I said at the time, that the connection to Taylor would be gone when Gray closed his site, and I got jumped on by the Gray haters. They said it wouldn’t change anything. I was right, and they were wrong. It is nice to see some “new” videos from the past, but don’t expect any truly new ones anymore.

    Thanks for sharing.

  14. That was more fun than I thought it would be… pretty entertaining!

    Thanks, Charcoal.

  15. Snowstorm Says:

    Thanks Charcoal! That was fun! I don’t think we’re going to get stuff like that anymore. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

  16. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    Gray was definitely something special.

  17. hicksaholic Says:

    That’s probably true- the “f***ing Spanish comment would drive some over the edge.

    I bet Taylor has gotten pretty good at using his interview language and comments versus his “real” language and comments. That probably explains the same phrases being used ad nauseum in interviews, it’s just easier for him to not change up the comments or he might revert to a “real” comment that might upset a fan.

  18. Oh yeah, don’t you remember the rehearsal.com video of Hollywood Nights? People were all kinds of jacked up about that.

    I think that’s the difference between music fans and television (American Idol) fans.

  19. spinshack Says:

    Oh my! Vulgar cussing! Miss Manners will be in a faint. ๐Ÿ˜›

  20. spinshack Says:

    How ’bout The Invisible Man?

  21. spinshack Says:

    A-hem, IS something special. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  22. spinshack Says:

    We know who they be, now don’t we? hahaha

  23. Snowstorm Says:

    Spin, don’t you know that Taylor gets a free pass in the cussing dept, cause he’s a man? But, nice girls, like you and me, we are sugar and spice and everything nice! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  24. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    LOL! Yes, he would like that- it’s an Elvis Costello song. ๐Ÿ™‚

  25. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    I stand correctly corrected. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  26. Virtual Speak Says:

    Thanks Charcoal! Love the “fucking spanish” and the “hot salty mayonnaise” innuendo. ๐Ÿ˜†

    Should kill off the “Taylor is a good boy” fans soon. ๐Ÿ˜†

  27. spinshack Says:

    “nice girls like you and me” ๐Ÿ˜›

  28. Snowstorm Says:

    Hopefully, they are dropping like flies. ๐Ÿ™‚

  29. We can hope

  30. Charcoal what is your opinion of The Distance?

  31. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    Thanks for the videos! I’d never seen the Queen one before- very enjoyable! ๐Ÿ˜€

  32. I couldn’t make out what they were saying right before, “That’s what SHE said.” (During the ‘Naked” video.) Fill me in. I want to be properly shocked. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  33. I think it was Brian that said, “I need hot mayonnaise for my throat.” Taylor said, “No you don’t.” And then the other guys said, “That’s what she said.”

    Then the conversation degraded even further with the salty/spicy comment. ๐Ÿ˜† Then somebody said, “Oh, I forgot Doug was here.” ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Love it!!

  34. Oh, those crazy boys!

  35. taylorfan06 Says:

    Taylor is looking might fine sitting in that chair and workin’ those jeans!
    (off topic?)

  36. He’s not gonna answer, Rosie. Don’t take it personally. He’s like Superman. He swoopes in when needed and then goes back to being mild-mannered Clark Kent, walking unnoticed among us.

  37. ๐Ÿ˜€
    caryl, you do have a way with a phrase !

  38. ShadowlessSoul Says:

    Of course that’s not off topic tf06.. Ain’t he purdy? ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

    rosie- Charcoal has also been likened Beetlejuice.. say his name three times and he appears..

    Sometimes.

    This was a good one.

    Yes. Oh, yes it was.

  39. blueberry Says:

    These are all good. And the last one especially – oh, to be a fly on the wall during rehearsals! Watching Felix (I think that’s his name) getting into the music is very cool. Watching this kind of stuff again really makes me realize how much I miss a bit of what we once had.

    Didn’t cheat in Spanish, but didn’t do as well as I should have, but I do remember this (even though the spelling might not be correct) “mucho gracias!”

  40. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    Or maybe like goats? baaaa!

  41. Sweet…great vids!

  42. Just was hoping for a little piece of Charcoal. Wasn’t there a report years ago that charcoal was carcinegenic?

  43. spinshack Says:

    rosie- Charcoal has also been likened Beetlejuice.. say his name three times and he appears..
    Sometimes – hahaha

    Rose just think how folks would analyze every single word he wrote about the songs, the album. It would cause quite a stir whether he loved every tune on the disc or not. ๐Ÿ™„

  44. Cheated in fucking Spanish? Well, there’s the answer to the non-existant accent in “Once Upon A Lover”. See?? Stay in school, kids. You never know when it will come back to haunt you!!

    ๐Ÿ˜‰

  45. I said at the time, that the connection to Taylor would be gone when Gray closed his site, and I got jumped on by the Gray haters. They said it wouldnโ€™t change anything. I was right, and they were wrong.

    Agreed. It’s dust in the wind, but Mr. Hicks should have kept Gray as webmaster, or in some kind of IT capacity. One look at the “official site” is proof of that.

  46. “Baaaaa”!!!?!!?!?

    That’s hilarious! LOL!!

  47. I’d still love to know.

    This whole thing today has me feeling a little giddy, like running into an “ex” unexpectedly.
    *checks hair* LOL!

  48. littlewing Says:

    Thanks for the vids. Loved seeing that lineup again.

    Rosie, leave it to you to ask Charcoal his opinion of the album, lol. I believe you would’ve loved GC. Lots of good music and business discussions. An explosion of Taylor fans of all kinds, male and female. I will never forget the day GC posted Ray L’s Trouble amidst the speculation of what he would do on Idol. Peeps went nuts at the prospect!

    /reminiscence

  49. hicksaholic Says:

    Gray’s was definitely a special place. I’m afraid none of the gazillion Taylor fan sites or blogs can touch Gray’s for the interesting, diverse, educational posters and topics. All the stars were aligned.

  50. littlewing, I didn’t grasp it is like requesting an audience with the pope. I just wanted to read the man’s take on Tay’s new CD. How did he know Taylor was going to do ‘Trouble’? Were they friends or acquainted before AI5? I guess I missed the boat.

  51. hicksaholic, was GC the one who persuaded AI fans of Taylor that his earlier music was better? It is interesting to me how many of the ardent fans who still post are into his Early Works, given he won AI by a combination of singing well known ballads as well as more up beat yet mostly well known songs. Perhaps it was G.C. who influenced those fans. Don’t know, but if that was the case I suppose he, G.C. did not care for the TH pop type CD. That is why I posed the question about the new CD to charcoal, my inquiring mind wanted to know.

  52. littlewing Says:

    I guess one had to be there Rosie. I’m sure they didn’t know each other prior to AI. I *may* be remembering it wrong, and someone can correct me if I am, but it seems like GC had the scoop on Trouble. Don’t know how, maybe just a lucky guess, since GC was a big Ray L fan.

  53. jerseyirish Says:

    Rosie, I’m with you wasn’t around for GC, but would be interesting to hear his take on the new CD.

    JI

  54. JI, It seems from what others are saying he doesn’t give his opinion these days. But we know he still reads blogs about Taylor or maybe he has charcoal and G.C. , gray charles in his google alerts so he knows when he is mentioned. Bottom line he was nice to contribute the vids. Even the hard core fans do not agree about their fav songs or the best songs on the new CD. So perhaps it is best an expert commentator from the past, what 2 yrs. ago, keeps his review/opinion private. Mr. Hicks is creating his own career path, for better or worse, and I doubt he even listens to his dads advice.

  55. YKW, You make me laugh.

  56. spinshack Says:

    There were several folks close to Hicks that would drop hints on what might be coming in the next week regarding song choices from what I understand.

    GC has great taste in music.

  57. Wow, these are excellent! Thanks for sharing Charcoal!

  58. I remember clearly that early on gc asked readers to recommend an artist they were currently enjoying. I think the first response was from a Ray L. fan. I’d never heard of Ray L. before that, nor had plenty of others. I think gc had not. But there was a big reaction on the blog to Ray L. Readers loved him above all others introduced.

    That buzz died down eventually. But as the Trouble-performance night approached, I remember gc teasing readers with an announcement that the song Taylor would do was written by one of the artists that gc readers had recommended. As I recall, he didn’t say the song title, or name the songwriter.

    As for how gc knew about it…heck, could be any of quite a few ways, I suppose – from a leak, a rehearsal, bham press…? Most likely in my opinion was it was a tip from a friend or family member of Taylor’s who was reading gc’s blog by that time.

    AFTER Taylor’s performance, everyone went wild over the Ray video that gc then posted.

    Ahhh..it was fun. Awesome fun.

    (I wish I could remember important detailed stuff this clearly.)

  59. Rosie, like many of us in early 2006 I was new to the world of boards and blogs. I found Gray Charles shortly after it went online and was still there the day it went dark for good. I learned so much from Gray and the many musically knowledgeable people in that community, but I never felt pressured with respect to anything to do with Taylor – or any other artist for that matter. Well at least not from Gray .. GC-II came with it’s own little quirks with respect to the behavior of certain posters.
    Gray’s style was more to put something up with a few comments and see what happened. It was up to us to figure out what we liked and what we wanted to explore further . . it didn’t hurt that Gray has excellent and diverse taste. It seemed obvious his knowledge of music was a factor in his relationship with Taylor.

    As far as AI being a disconnect with Taylor’s pre-Idol music . . I’m a bit confused by the singing well known ballads and upbeat song on AI comment since it seems to imply that his early music did not have those elements and makes me wonder what you may have heard of those live sets some of us love so much.
    Those pre-Idol live sets were a valuable representation of what Taylor wanted to do for music when it was entirely his choice . . and we pounced on them. Trust me no one had to be forced to listen. Some of us loved what we heard . . others didn’t . . probably that is still true today given the reactions to the music on the new CD.
    I’m also not sure how familiar you are with Taylor’s AI song list but there was enough that related to his pre-Idol music choices to make the connection.

    I know almost nothing about you so will add this as a bit of information and hope it doesn’t come across as being condescending because that is not the intent. The music that Taylor seems to have always gravitated to was the popular music of it’s time . . so yes some songs are well known . . and some have stood the test of time with subsequent generations. As Taylor once said ” A good song is a good song ”
    The difference between being popular music then and being considered pop music today is an entire website worth of discussion – not going to tackle that here.

    Some AI songs I can remember without much effort that are not a stretch for the style of music TH seemed to prefer before Idol . .
    The first full song Taylor sang for Top 12 guys week was Levon – recorded by Elton John in 1971.
    Trouble was a new song with a old feel . . and a masterstroke . . it eventually came out that he was a fan of Ray LaMontagne and had seen him perform live when he was still singing with his back to the audience.
    Play That funky Music is considered a marker point by some and is from his birth year 1976.
    In The Ghetto – 1969.
    You are So Beautiful – Billie Preston 1974 / Joe cocker 1975.
    Try a Little Tenderness goes back way before Otis Redding’s 1966 version that Taylor based his on.
    and of course Something . . Beatles 1969.
    I’m not sure what you are seeing that is inconsistent with TH’s pre-Idol musical identity in those choices – – either with his covers in live sets or his own CDs. Since we know Gray’s first direct contact with Taylor was after AI, if there had been any influence it would have been in keeping with the message Taylor himself was sending out.

    By the time the TH album dropped GC-II was in place as an official site. While I suspect Gray was no happier with the album than some of us were . . to his credit he promoted it well. One thing I do remember that seemed to be a personal comment was along the lines of giving The Maze a chance . . that was good advice . . it is one of the few I ever play from that album and then it is nearly always a live version.

    As others have already said … think it is highly unlikely that Charcoal would do a review of The Distance. IMHO Charcoal is much too smart to venture down that no-win road . . but I could be completely wrong . . not about the smart . . but about the willingness to become a target. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Sorry to be so long-winded . . a second night with insomnia seems to be causing a love-affair with my keyboard.

  60. mamaforpeace Says:

    The man was here, then he was gone. Poof! He understand the appeal of mystery. I do miss the great music discussions that went on in that blog!

  61. taylorfan06 Says:

    I absolutely LOVED GC back in the day and I remember when seeing/meeting Taylor for the first time (May 07) that I had told him that I hoped it would be coming back. No such luck unfortunately. It was a great site. RIP GrayCharles…

  62. casualfan Says:

    I never was a GC fan, sorry guys. Although I enjoyed some of his blogs, I felt as if his ego overrode his blog and I didn’t care for that. GC used his blog in the end as a carrot to dangle in front of Taylor’s fans at times including shutting it down then starting it back up which I don’t consider very professional, especially when he was supposed to be in a business relationship with Taylor. Thankfully, Taylor wised up and moved on. Now THAT was the professional thing to do. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  63. spinshack Says:

    “his ego overrode his blog”
    It was his blog, casualfan, he created somewhat of a phenomenon that some like yourself perhaps fall short of understanding. I mean no insult toward you.

    Sure at the end the back and forth, the open and closing of the site may have verged on seeming ridiculous but he may have had reasons other than his ‘ego’ for doing that. Too, at that point, his business relationship with Mr. Hicks was over from what I understand.

    Notably, and here’s the crux, the guy created a fan following for himself aside and apart from Taylor Hicks.

  64. … especially when he was supposed to be in a business relationship with Taylor.

    I’m not sure that Mr. Hicks and GC ever had a contractual obligation to one another. Gray provided Mr. Hicks with an ENORMOUS online presence on a voluntary basis. Gray purchased dedicated servers and spent the majority of his personal time managing the site. Even when it was determined that the Gray would not continue on with Mr. Hicks professionally, and regular posters were venting with the whys/hows of the site’s imminent closure, Gray chose the high road, and never (to my knowledge) defamed Mr. Hicks’ decision in any way.

    … Taylor wised up and moved on …
    Was it really a “wise” move?? Look at his official site. IAG has blogged about this subject recently, and I don’t think there were ANY positive comments to be found re: HQ. Mr. Hicks’ official site is a JOKE. It’s rarely updated, there’s little official information, no tour dates, no calendar for updated appearances, etc. What a waste.

  65. Saying that someone who did not care for the GC blog did not understand the phenomenon is a bit condescending and insulting, with all due respect. It is entirely possible that someone might have had the intellectual prowess to “understand” the world of GC and still just not have particularly wanted to live there.

    That was the main problem that I had with GC’s . . . if you weren’t a fan of the blog, you were one of the unwashed masses who only cared about Taylor’s ass and whatnot. To me, it always felt like there was a pretty serious “us and them” mentality going on.

    You’d think that fans of Gray Charles and Charcoal, would have understood that when it comes to being a fan of anyone, there are shades of, well . . . gray.

  66. casualfan Says:

    It was his blog, casualfan, he created somewhat of a phenomenon that some like yourself perhaps fall short of understanding. I mean no insult toward you.
    ==================================
    Spin, GC was no phenomenon and I understand much more than you will ever understand…trust in that.

  67. ….Youโ€™d think that fans of Gray Charles and Charcoal, would have understood that when it comes to being a fan of anyone, there are shades of, well . . . gray…..

    Brava, Soulaz!

  68. casualfan Says:

    I agree that his official site has fallen by the wayside, but you can’t blame Taylor for all of it. Mr. Hicks is a client of Music Today, and is paying them very well for the upkeep. If nothing is being done, then the anger should be going to them and not just Taylor. How does any of us know that Taylor hasn’t been in contact with them to resolve this? We don’t.

    It’s MO that If people are seriously that upset over the way the site is run, the solution is simple….DON’T RENEW! I didn’t because I saw this pattern last year.

  69. charcoal Says:

    Just a few factual things

    – From January 2006 to Septermber 2006 the site was independently operated and financed.
    – From October 2006 – March 2006 the site operated under a contract to Sony/J-Records.
    – After March 31st, there was no contract extension, and no serious discussions as to continuing/severing the relationship. Sony/J-Records had decided in early March not to continue financial support since their interest (as it should be) was promoting record sales and not in promoting a tour. Attempts at structuring a new relationship with the management team at the time in question were either ignored or, at least given extremely low priority.
    – From April 1st to whenever the site finally shut down it was once again independently operated and financed. Yes, the up/down nature of the last few weeks was frustrating to everyone but it was a product of behind the scenes negotiations that took time to come to a conclusion.
    – Some folks enjoyed GC immensely, others would put off by the tone, others fell somewhere in between. All opinions are certainly valid and, with the passage of time, it’s easier to see where some of the negative opinions were coming from.
    – As to who “understands” what – I think there are very very few people who “understand” the entire story.

    I tried to make sure that all the above statements were factual and not part of an opinion.

  70. Well said Soulaz! I agree 100%.

  71. casualfan Says:

    Taylor has grown immensely since the GC days and since his AI win. Gray’s site proved to be a useful vehicle for Taylor at the time and was a useful tool in his communications with the fans even thou some of us didn’t care for the attitude at times. It would be nice to see more of the fandom grow with him and not stay stuck in what was or what could have been.

    Maybe if Taylor would cut out the middle man and just blog directly himself without allowing the fans to comment on the blog. Many musicians do just that and they are successful at it.

  72. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    Yeah don’t renew (kicks self in the head- cause I did!) and Tay shouldn’t pay them anymore.

  73. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    Can you share any of your understanding?

  74. Snowstorm Says:

    The thudders and worshippers of the onion turned Taylor into somewhat of a joke. Seriously, are you denying this?

    But, this is the problem with ALL AI male contestants. Because it is mainly visual, the music takes a backseat. It’s all over the media how David Cook is having a problem with crazy stalkers who are calling his hotel room and attaching things to his tour bus. Silly women wearing bunny ears to his show and holding up obscene signs. I’m sorry, but these stupid fans don’t realize, all credibility goes out the window for the artist. I give David a lot of credit for speaking up and at least trying to nip this in the bud.

    Taylor let bad behavior go on, never spoke up about crazy fans. He should have put a stop to the thudding a long time ago and told crazy fans to fuck off and now it’s too late, because that’s all he’s got left.

  75. It’s hard to let go of something that was working. I’ve been surprised to hear that some people felt turned off by the tone of the blog. Even more surprised when I learned that some fans felt some posters were trying to impress Taylor with their comments. (?)

    I just thought the site was fun and informative. I felt like I was “plugged in.”

    But we do have to let it go. Gray’s not coming back. The thing is, somebody in Taylor’s camp needs to look at what was right about graycharles and learn from it.

  76. casualfan Says:

    I think Taylor has learned from it as with many other things and moved on…..

  77. casualfan Says:

    I actually agree with Snow! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  78. Arrow2Soul Says:

    I was briefly on Gc after Taylor’s AI win and it struck me as a very serious blog with tons of politics, meaning cliques, that I was not interested in joining. I cannot comment one way or the other about any of it to be honest. The blog has sinced closed, everyone has moved on, and all is well with the world. My computer at home has several spyware viruses and no longer works properly, so I cannot get on at home anymore…hence my prolonged absence. I don’t see the point in buying a new computer so I am disconnected most of the time.
    Hope everyone is well. I will stop in from time to time to just wave.
    I am doing well….Chomping at the bit to get to Florida in two weeks, as I need the rest and wooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooo the beach is waiting for me, as are the tall, cool, ahem….drinks, of course. LOL
    I love being single. heehee. wink. ๐Ÿ™‚
    Be well.
    BL

  79. wow – these videos are fucking awesome.
    Thank you cc for offering them, and thank you IAG for posting them.

    Re: GC
    The thing that initially drew me to Taylor in the first place was his music – the way he injected passion into everything I had heard him sing (up to that point). So for a music lover as myself to have found a site like GC, where not only did I get the latest regarding Taylor, but I also had some of the best discussions *ever* regarding music in general…it was great. The thing that I most liked about GC.com was that I found a TON of new music that I probably never would have had it not been for GC.com….a lot came from GC himself, and a lot came out of the comments. The gratitude I feel for that alone is hard to put into words…THAT alone MORE than makes up for ANYthing that I may not have “personally” liked about his site.

    I’m not trying to sound like a music snob…I’ll admit I had my fair share of discussions on Taylor’s looks, etc that had nothing to do with the music….I mean, his thighs are something to behold! hello! But, back then there were a TON of fansites where you could get that kind of talk….but VERY few like GC.com that really did focus on the music.

  80. Comments like this one always make me wonder. Given the complexity of the relationships involved in running the site – and I’m pretty sure that there is only ONE person who understands that.

    Whrere your “understanding” comes from will, unless I’m surprised (and I’d love to be), continue to remain private.

    As to the “no phenomenon” comment. For a time there GC was the most popular AI related site in existence with the exception of the official site itself. For a single contestnat based site I would venture that that statistic alone woudl classify it as a “phenomenon”.

  81. Really? (I’m not fighting with you, I’m sincerely curious.) HQ just isn’t as effective as graycharles was. And I know from my own experience that Taylor lost fans when graycharles closed.

  82. Two facts I know for sure:

    1) I enjoyed GC immensely
    2) I will never “understand” the entire story

    Two opinions:

    1) I enjoyed GC immensely, and no other site since has served Taylor as well as this one did
    2) Taylor made a mistake in not begging, borrowing, and stealing anything he could to keep GC up and running

  83. jerseyirish Says:

    Hey BL, Waving back, glad all is good, computers when they go they go. Some things are more important than others. Enjoy your time in Fla.

    Wasn’t around for GC had already shut down when I started reading, the one common thing I do see is that most were introduced to music at that site they may have never found had it not been for CG.

    JI

  84. blueberry Says:

    Sojie, I agree with almost everything you said (the thighs, yes are sweet, but for me it’s the eyes and the smile). It was impossible to not pick up on the cliques at GC’s, if that is what they were, but it was very easy for me to ignore that aspect of the blog and get what I went there for, namely music, be it Taylor’s or someone elses. I admit there was a period of withdrawal after it closed, probably no different than when a favored show or magazine is cancelled (anyone remember “George”? I seriously could have cried when that magazine stopped being printed!) So with or without the Taylor connection, I would have loved to see that site continue. I mean, where else could we have found out so much about the one and only Grace?

  85. I totally agree with you, Caryl.

  86. casualfan Says:

    I don’t think you are fighting with me so no worries. But I don’t think Taylor lost any real fans in the demise of GC’s. If that is the case then they weren’t fans of Taylor’s but more like fans of Gray’s.

  87. cliques? I must be dense or something because I never picked up on that. (again, I’m not fighting, I’m truly incredulous.) Wow. I thought it was a fun community.

  88. Caryl, I’m not trying to follow you around and agree with you, lol, but I just had to say that I never did get what people were talking about with the cliques on GC. If there were cliques, I sure as hell didn’t pay any attention to them. That site made me laugh almost every day. I still haven’t found a replacement for it.

  89. blueberry Says:

    I probably wasn’t clear with my words. Cliques might not be an apt description. I found, and this is my observation only, there tended to be quite abit of posturing. I also found some really great music. That, for me, made up for anything negative. And I do miss the site.

  90. casualfan Says:

    LOL!

  91. Arrow2Soul Says:

    All I have been singing is “itsy bitsy teeny weeny red hot “DAMN” bikini!’

    lol

    You guys have fun and enjoy. I will let you know of the action down south, and the bands that will be playing!!! Live music from 11:00 AM until 1AM on the beach…gahhhhhhhhhhhh.
    Be well all!

  92. Cliques have always been perceived to be a problem in this fandom.

  93. Snowstorm Says:

    Just my opinions, but this is what I think happened…

    Because Taylor posted on the blog several times, the blog was flooded with the AI board posters. I still remember the hundreds and hundreds of posts. Did they really think Taylor had time to read all that shit? Plus, there were lots of real music geeks on there (male and female), but as soon as the “undesireable” posters showed up, they all left. So, basically you had women there trying to get Taylor’s attention. Then you had a group of AI posters who hated Grey because of the “elitist” attitude on the board.

    As far as the cliques, I guess I’m not sure about, but I’m sure it existed. I do remember two very out-spoken posters who were kissing GC ass for the obvious reason of getting next to Hicks and being one of the ‘cool’ kids! hahaha!

  94. Where your โ€œunderstandingโ€ comes from will, unless Iโ€™m surprised (and Iโ€™d love to be), continue to remain private.

    Well said, Charcoal. The SP has more secrecy than the Masons.

  95. casualfan Says:

    This fandom is over run with cliques IAG.

  96. casualfan Says:

    I agree with you Snow 100%. There was a clear line between the GC blog and the AI board. It got ridiculous and way out of control. I think Taylor saw GC’s blog as an effective way to communicate with his fans at the time because back then that was the only place that allowed for intelligent conversation on the music within the fanbase. He no doubt respected Gray’s blog and was very appreciative that someone would take the time to research all that Gray did for him.

    My issue was the attitude and tone set and not so much the content. And for someone to refer to their blog as a “phenomenon” is a bit far reaching and on the narcissistic side.

  97. LOL! Is that what we type when we want to imply something without really saying it? I’m just trying to learn here.

  98. Snowstorm Says:

    Let’s not forget trolls, VFTW, and chrolls who contributed and egged on a lot of the bad fan behavior. The worshers were heavily involved.

  99. OK, I was wondering if the negativity towards GC had something to do with the people who were around during Taylor’s season on AI.

    I came on the scene afterwards and when I googled Taylor’s name, I was sent to graycharles. It was the only site I knew, the only place I went. I had no preconceptions about the names attached to the comments there.

  100. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    bunny ears? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

  101. casualfan Says:

    If I’m implying anything it is the fact that Taylor Hicks was the phenomenon and not the GC blog. I’m hearing all talk about how wonderful Gray’s blog was and it seems that everyone has lost site of the fact that it was because of Taylor and not Gray. Somewhere along the line a fine gray line was drawn and Gray became the celebrity.

    And it’s my opinion that Gray should have left the blog up for reading and turned off the comment section. Everybody cries about Taylor needing new fans, but it seems as though Taylor’s history has been erased.

    I find it ironic for posters who claim to welcome opinions but then go on the defense when that opinion doesn’t agree with their beliefs.

    Interesting indeed…..

  102. From what I’ve read it seems there were cliques within some of the larger blogs. Don’t think there are cliques now, just people who enjoy posting where they feel comfortable and some post several places. There does seem to be spots where people tend to always agree with the blogger, so perhaps that is cliquish.

  103. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    I agree with a lot of what you say except for one thing: Gray came over to the AI boards frequently and asked people to join his site. I remember him saying “be one of us”- so it wasn’t that AI posters flooded GC’s site on their own. And there definitely was an “elitist attitude” from some of the posters at GC.

  104. This fandom is mainly over the top sugar coaters. Can’t stand it. I would welcome an elitist music snob blog (or whatever you wanna call it) with cliques and all. Gray Charles was no saint, yep he liked having his ass kissed, yep he was a bit of a drama queen, yep he was interested in himself, but so what? He had a good blog and knew how to blog. There was nothing positive about having GC shut down. Taylor made some poor decisions himself I think but I also think he is making a comeback (for me to say that is a BIG DEAL btw) so if GC plans to restart he should do it now.

  105. Snowstorm Says:

    The negativity toward Grey was almost exclusively on the AI board. There was a group of them that openly disliked him. I still remember the threads (with hundreds of posts) that openly attacked him. Was is jealousy? I think it was just hateful people, which Taylor had the misfortune of attracting. Real craziness back then.

  106. Back then? Oh, the craziness is running rampant still.

    I’ve had people tell me that the TH fandom isn’t that bad.

    Remind me to never get involved in a fandom again.

  107. charcoal Says:

    “so if GC plans to restart he should do it now.”

    That won’t be happening.

  108. Snowstorm Says:

    I don’t remember him asking people to join, but I don’t doubt that. Well, he got what he asked for because the blog certainly took a different turn. But, I still think the turning point was when people found out Taylor posted at the blog.

  109. charcoal Says:

    “Gray came over to the AI boards frequently and asked people to join his site. ”

    You know, anything is possible and my memory of two years ago is certainly hazy but, really? I don’t think so. I would sometimes post what I thought was a link to interesting content. Certainly not frequently, and I never asked anyone to “join” because there was no “join” functionality on the site. It was a blog, with comments – you couldn’t “join” – you know, other than the apparent cult.

  110. casualfan Says:

    Of course it did. Would you expect anything less Snow? LOL!

  111. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    I distinctly remember Gray, or someone posing to be Gray maybe, asking AI members to “be one of us”.

    Anyway it doesn’t matter since it’s all over with and in the past.

  112. RedRoseSpeedway Says:

    Well thanks for visiting once in a while. It’s cool to see you posting Charcoal.

  113. Snowstorm Says:

    No, of course not. Just sayin that the blog got flooded with nonsense. It wasn’t the say anymore.

  114. Snowstorm Says:

    same anymore.

  115. “Taylor and not Gray. Somewhere along the line a fine gray line was drawn and Gray became the celebrity.”

    I never got that from being at the blog. That’s interesting. I wonder why you feel that way?

  116. Well, I distinctly remember when Gray actually somehow tracked me down and called me personally on my cellphone! He liked what I had said on some AI threads and asked me to join at GC. He told me I could even lead my own clique! He did make me promise to cut current ties with all family and friends though and to pledge complete loyalty to GC. I decided it was worth it.

  117. Caryl, I’m responding to your post up thread wondering why casualfan feels that Gray became the celebrity instead of Taylor. I think that in this fandom, there are people who perpetuate myths about others…whether it be out of jealousy, spite or just plain craziness. Gray was one of those who was talked about re: his connection with Taylor, his “elite” posters, and just him overall.

    Lately, I’ve had to take a step back from some previous influences and make judgements on people for myself. It’s been, ahem, interesting to say the least.

  118. Well, I’ve learned over time (especially lately) that anybody who SEEMS to have a special connection with Taylor gets trampled. I can only imagine the stuff Gray had to endure that we don’t even know about.

    Whatever happened to cause the shut-down of GC, Gray was obviously ready to leave. I feel pretty sure it was because of the fans. Most of the time he functioned as a babysitter, trying to keep comments on track, reminding people not to attack one another, asking people to refrain from objectifying Taylor.

    Stay in hiding, buddy. But, dude, now you need a new name. And because I know you hate smileys, I’ll resist the impulse to stick one in here.

  119. charcoal/doug –
    I completely respect you for not wanting to start graycharles back up…but if ya ever did decide you wanted to just blog about music in general…I’d be there.

    just sayin’….

    josiologyatinbox.com

  120. Blue, you saying the words Taylor and comeback shocks me. I think you said that twice now. He sold 15,000 CD’s in 2 weeks, the man needs exposure on TV, mags, and to be played on the radio. You may be doing your own sugar coating.

  121. Interesting discussion this afternoon.
    1. I’m totally with Sojie on being there if Doug/Gray/Charcoal returned with a music oriented site. I came to appreciate a lot of new artists over at Gray’s. I too miss those discussions.
    2. Cliques, yeah. The bane of every blogger’s existance. Although the posters from various factions did go back and forth on GC, I thought Gray did a good job with crowd control, which is what caused most of the discussions over there to be intelligent and enlightening. There’s a poor choice out there for Taylor fans these days. Choose one: a. Blogs/Sites where Mr. Hicks is the do-no-wrong artist of the century; b. Underground blogs/Sites where new posters are not to be tolerated nor trusted; c. Blogs/Sites that ridicule Mr. Hicks and his musical stylings; d. a very few small intelligent blogs which you can find on the blogroll here at IAG’s. I nearly forgot the sites that have a public “front page”, but where you need “the secret handshake” to get the back door where the cool kids hang.
    3. I think it’s completely wrong to think that what made GrayCharles special was Mr. Hicks. To believe that, is to believe that every blog/site about Hicks makes them all that special … absolutely not. What made GC special was the blogger himself, the tone he set, the moderation, the discussions led by Gray.

  122. casualfan Says:

    Caryl, regarding your post at my comment about Gray and Taylor…I’m not by far the only one who feels this way although I may be the only one who comes forth with my feelings.

    It’s clear that talking about GC hits a raw nerve with some so I will cease any more comments regarding this subject.

    I find it equally interesting that anytime someone doesn’t have a positive spin on GC they are called stupid or jealous and people run to this man’s defense.

  123. charcoal Says:

    caualfan – you’re right – many people feel the way you do – and many people came forth with there feelings. Which is fine with me. You can have a totally negative spin – also fine.

    What troubles me is your implied “knowledge” of the whole situation. To wit . . .

    “Spin, GC was no phenomenon and I understand much more than you will ever understandโ€ฆtrust in that.”

    and

    “GC used his blog in the end as a carrot to dangle in front of Taylorโ€™s fans at times including shutting it down then starting it back up which I donโ€™t consider very professional, especially when he was supposed to be in a business relationship with Taylor.”

    As I stated, at that point I was NOT in a business relationship with Taylor. Maybe I’m nitpicking here but these are the kinds of things that, in the end, started to drive me crazy. A constant struggle to appear “in the know” – sideways references to the “real truth” etc.

    You state things as if they are facts, they are not. I can also say with confidence that Taylor was not aware of everything that was going on so, even if A) you are Taylor (hey, buddy – what’s shaking?) or B) Taylor’s close personal confidant on all business matters – you are missing some of the story.

  124. charcoal Says:

    And yes, I have an incessant need to be “right”. Probably part of my narcissism. I’m hoping the shock therapy helps.

  125. casualfan Says:

    LOL! I hope so too Gray.

  126. charcoal Says:

    Thanks for not responding directly to my comments. I guess that would be too much to expect.

  127. Ok, I might have missed part of this conversation, but I don’t think anyone here called you jealous or stupid.

  128. casualfan Says:

    Expectations are way overrated these days.

  129. A constant struggle to appear โ€œin the knowโ€ – sideways references to the โ€œreal truthโ€ etc.

    Oh charcoal, that’s a whole new state of being here in SoulPatrol Land. Welcome to the world of those In The Know: Friends and Associates: the Few, the Privileged, the Entourage.

  130. mamaforpeace Says:

    All I know is I still miss GC, the music, the humour, the occasional snarkiness was also entertening. I found so may different musicians on that site that I wouldn’t have known about otherwise. GC became a celebrity in his own right, yes, but my feeling is that it was partly because he and Taylor seemed to be on the same wave length. And I don’t understand the criticism… if you dind’t like it, why did you keep on reading???

  131. Snowstorm Says:

    Why do fans want other fans to know that they know stuff, but they really know squat? Guess it makes them feel important? There is def an hierarchy in fandom, but I just laugh at all the one upping each other. I honestly don’t care about any it.

  132. Well damn, onemore,
    and all this time I thought I was the only one . . . *sigh*

  133. Oh! I think I forgot to say thanks for providing those videos, charcoal, because you didn’t have to do that. And it’s always more interesting when you’re around, so…….good to see you again. I don’t know why you even bother, but I’m glad that — at least occasionally — you do.

  134. Badfantoo Says:

    The fans who pretend to be “In the know” are total attention whores. The other fans believe them and give them hits on their blogs/message boards. Been going on since the Taylor fandom began.

  135. littlewing Says:

    I for one never thought that people not at GC were somehow intellectually deficient, anymore than my being there made me some kind of savant – it was just one big fascinating learning experience. I did get my hand smacked a couple of times early on at GC’s, one time raving about his Hicks’ jeans and boots LOL. Imagine how boring it was for a guy to be reading all that..I think the emphasis away from ‘fangirling’ was vital to its success. Whomever said he was apt at crowd control, so true. Too, it seems people forget that GC/cc was a big fan just like us.

    I respect your decision charcoal.

  136. The guy seems to have some big fans on this blog… I’m off to catch Tay’s appearance on E tonight. Have a good night all.

  137. Redrosespeedway Says:

    I for one would love that!

  138. charcoal Says:

    Absolutely, thanks for proving the point.

  139. Let me preface this by saying tha I’m not kissing anyone’s butt by making this comment. What difference would it make now?

    GC was the best run blog I’ve ever been associated with. I DO think it was a phenomenon. Remember how people would say they fell asleep with their laptops on their stomachs because they couldn’t tear themselves away? Or how going there first thing the morning was part of their routine before work?

    Damn, I have to leave. (For church! No, really!) I have more to say, but maybe that covers it.

  140. Casualfan: “And itโ€™s my opinion that Gray should have left the blog up for reading and turned off the comment section. Everybody cries about Taylor needing new fans, but it seems as though Taylorโ€™s history has been erased. ”

    Agreed.

    Since GC seems to be in such a giving mood, perhaps he’ll be kind enough to restore the archives. Or pass them on to someone willing to house them. Whether you were a fan of the man behind the curtain or not, I don’t think many folks would argue that there’s a rich history contained in those archives.

    It’s a shame that it seems they’ve been held hostage from those who lived those days on GC, as well as any new fans Taylor may be making who would benefit from the wealth of information contained in them.

  141. Don’t have any inside information about anything Taylor related, and I don’t know anybody who knows anybody that does, but I do know that I still miss Gray Charles! I hope all goes well with you, and that life is good. It must be frustrating to constantly read things about your site and your relationship with Taylor which you know are untrue. You are never going to change the minds of those that think they know what happened, why bother? If you’re at peace with all of it, thats all that really matters.
    Many thanks for the videos. Its always good to see you again, stop by more often and let us know how the shock therapy is working out.

  142. Since GC seems to be in such a giving mood, perhaps heโ€™ll be kind enough to restore the archives. Or pass them on to someone willing to house them.

    Where ALL of Mr. Hick’s fans can read them? Or will they be housed back in the Secret Vault where only the True Fans are admitted?

  143. casualfan Says:

    LOL! In more ways than one ๐Ÿ˜‰

  144. charcoal Says:

    If there is a “Secret Vault” I’ll be sure to charge for it right?

  145. Really hate it when work interferes with the day’s important stuff.

    It fascinates me that GC and Gray can still generate so much discussion . . seems that phenomenon is an apt description.

    I strongly suspect that you could bring up the name of any TH related blog or board – past or present – and find people who would have positive and negative comments about it’s general tone, management and poster community.

    Doubt I’m the only one who had checked out a number of sites in early 2006 before finding GC. A big part of deciding I’d found a fit was the emphasis on music -Taylor’s and other artists, as well as the interesting conversations. I will agree it was a bit intimidating to jump in and post . . but walking into any new group can be as well.

    I certainly didn’t have a fraction of the music knowledge that the majority of the others did but I’ve never expected a group to adjust to me . . feel it is my job to adjust to what already exists . . if I can’t, or don’t want to, then that is my issue – not the fault of the group.

    Once I did join in I found most people were more than willing to answer my questions or point me to a source – and that included Gray . . Music 101 as some of us called it.
    There were posters who gravitated to each other in a discussion . . but that is also the case on just about every site I’ve ever observed . . so if that is what is being called cliquish then it was/ is certainly not limited to Gray’s blog.

    As to Gray enjoying feedback from the community he brought together . . guess I don’t understand why that is a problem. He worked hard to make GC what it was, some thanks and approval goes a long ways when you’re wondering why the hell you keep doing something. It wasn’t solicited and sometimes actively discouraged. Anyone remember “Wayne Newton” ?

    One more thing then I’ll STHU and return to ROM . .

    I started this by suggesting any site could be dissected by it’s supporters and naysayers . . and mentioned finding a personal fit.

    I suspect most of us checked out a number of places on our way to GC – or wherever we are now – and have continued to look around (we’re here right ?). Would also guess we have all have been on sites that were seriously not our cup of tea . . but it seems most of us have never felt the need to go on another site to publicly criticize those places, or their management, or their posters. Probably most of us react similar to this . . if I don’t care for a site I simply leave it to those that do enjoy it and go on my way . . no harm – no foul.

    Charcoal . . as someone said up-thread – you always make things a little more interesting when you come out to play. Maybe like Godiva chocolate – even better appreciated when it is an infrequent and unexpected treat. Be well.

  146. Gray Charles was a great blog and I miss the hell out of it.

  147. YKW: “Where ALL of Mr. Hickโ€™s fans can read them?”

    We can only hope. It wouldn’t do much good to bring them into the light only to squirrel them away again, would it?

  148. suze4158 Says:

    For someone who could never figure it out…

    Does charcoal = Gray Charles?

  149. Maybe. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  150. I’d rather charcoal field that one.

  151. I’m sorry. That sounded pretentious.

  152. It did?

    No, it didn’t. You’re fine, Caryl.

  153. spinshack Says:

    Yeah baybee. Go Daddy.

  154. spinshack Says:

    The fact Hicks keeps paying them makes him look sorta the dope, think about it.

  155. spinshack Says:

    hahahahaha!

  156. spinshack Says:

    I know, brother.

    I will say I was a complete N00b to blogs and html and and anything intelligent on-line. OK, still am, but I would look at what you did , view your source info and basically you taught me what to do where to go on how to blog. Man, you provided a real education for me. Thanks.

  157. spinshack Says:

    Intended to Gray/charcoal yet under onemore…

  158. spinshack Says:

    He’s not gonna do that. For one I seriously doubt he could do on-line what Gray did. sheesh. He can’t write like that on-line never showed any ability to do that.

  159. spinshack Says:

    WTF is your problem? I don’t get it. Man GC was the best thing to happen to Hicks. You think Taylor should just do what Gray did but man, Hicks has Not the propensity to do it. Understand Mr. Hicks limitations.

  160. spinshack Says:

    See, that maybe one of the Truest things you have said.

  161. spinshack Says:

    Love you and miss you, Bright.

  162. spinshack Says:

    Sometimes perceived cliques is the real deal. Perception being what, 1/5 the law or something? ha.

  163. spinshack Says:

    Exactly.

  164. Seven Days Says:

    Short, sweet, and to the point — and I concur in spades.

  165. spinshack Says:

    Ah there’s “site” as in a location and there’s “Sight” as in vision. N’er the two meet. I was just considering the innuendos in this post. ha.

  166. spinshack Says:

    “Worshers” are they related to “Worsters” Snow?

  167. spinshack Says:

    ahahahaha!

  168. spinshack Says:

    Yeah. Like you had a password. ๐Ÿ™„

  169. spinshack Says:

    Why don’t you just do you?

    Oh and not like undercover you where nobody knows it’s you that sucks and won’t get any attention. You know how to get attention so why not let that guy run wild?

    Could be a lot of fun. Well at least for those who like adventures anyway.

  170. spinshack Says:

    *Sweet talking like crazy here*

  171. spinshack Says:

    hahahhaha! Crazy as crazy can be-ISH?

  172. spinshack Says:

    You know I’m in like Flint (cliches, my thing) You know where to find me. Be nice to have some music and verbal fun. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  173. spinshack Says:

    This is why you are my Valentine always. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  174. spinshack Says:

    Man, that’s so good.

  175. spinshack Says:

    Meant that to be after Doug’s comment not Badfantoo, damn wordpress.

  176. spinshack Says:

    You should.

  177. spinshack Says:

    D’oh

  178. Wow just discovered this site lol. Just read someone comment that Taylor needs younger fans, well I’m one of them. 16 lol.
    Watching these vids, god I MISS those. Graycharles was such a great site, no idea why it shut down.
    Taylor needs to do vids like these again, it’ll help him reconnect with fans and give people a reminder of the good old southern guy.
    I like his new CD, could do without a couple of songs. WRIR should not be the single.
    Nineteen or Maybe You Should, should be. Hey, maybe he could release both as singles, DC released two singles.
    Either way he NEEDS airplay. He’s too talented to be overlooked, seriously.
    Okay, I’m done with rambling hahaha.

  179. Oh and to add to the above, I don’t get why people got on his back about dropping the F-Bomb. Everyone does it, and Taylor is included in that ‘everyone’ category. He isn’t a divine god, certainly not mine.
    He’s a talented musician whose a real person, and is allowed to cuss if he wants. Last time I checked, the fans weren’t his mothers. :S

  180. Ditto

  181. taylorfan06 Says:

    double ditto!

  182. charcoal Says:

    Looking over this . . . sorry if I was focusing on the negative. Thanks to everyone who appreciates these and the good memories of GC. It does take quite a bit of time to recapture/edit/upload these – something I’m in short supply of. Anyhow . . .

  183. Agreed. Charge Mr. Hicks double. Ha!!

  184. Thrice.

  185. Out of the mouth of babes.

  186. I guess it’s a compliment to still be relevant after all the water under the bridge. Those who weren’t there have difficulty “getting it” and that’s ok. Like Camelot, it was a brief shining moment that I consider to be a “tipping point” for me. But for others, it was just a Taylor “outlet”.

    I understand those who wanted all Taylor, all the time may have been disappointed in some of the content and discussions, but I personally felt that the fact that Taylor could be included in real, “good” music was a compliment to his talent. Let’s face it, VERY few music bloggers who blog about people like Ray LaMontagne, Amos Lee, Adele, Paul Pena, etc., etc., aren’t even considering writing about Taylor Hicks. IMO, AI has permanently tainted Taylor so that he now sits in the neverland of not accepted by the AI model and not accepted by the anti-Idol crowd.

    As for the comment that people at GC commented to “get Taylor’s attention”, that is poppycock. It was widely believed that AI contestants were prohibited from reading or participating on any “site”, so no-one ever expected that Taylor was either reading or commenting. And, to be clear, Taylor commented exactly ONE time. If you are going to comment about something and take what is obviously a contrarian position…know your facts. Otherwise, sometimes silence is golden.

    Jus’ sayin’. ๐Ÿ™‚

  187. hicksaholic Says:

    Late to the discussion

    Although I’m sure everything about Gray’s was not perfect it was far and away superior to anything we have seen since and I miss the hell out of it. This blog is the closest to it that I have found but does not attract a huge diverse number of posters like GC’s did. Now all of the sites are fragmented and it takes a hell of a lot of time to follow Taylor. You have to go to the Boogie if you want the most up to date news but you probably should visit a site like this if you want a little more give and take. Before it was all right there on GC’s.

  188. So, let’s see. Taylor has posted on exactly two sites, Gray’s and TMS, and they’re both defunct. Therefore, Taylor posting on a site=kiss of death. ๐Ÿ˜†

  189. Thanks for recognizing. ๐Ÿ™‚

  190. Pretty much. Gray’s was a non-authorized, non-endorsed, personal blog — just like this one. He didn’t OWE people anything than what he wanted to write….until “the sequel” when he became official and therefore constrained as to what could or could not be discussed. What we all thought (at the time) as being the best thing for Gray Charles ended up destroying it.

  191. Taylor posted on TMS?

  192. ” IMO, AI has permanently tainted Taylor so that he now sits in the neverland of not accepted by the AI model and not accepted by the anti-Idol crowd. ”
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    I’ve thought that for a long time too, MM.
    Also wonder if the diversity on the current album adds to the problem.
    Not debating the quality or performance of the songs . . just concerned about the mixed message not resonating with the general music buyer.

  193. Yeah, o.k. I felt a bit d’oh asking.

  194. Why does the CD have to songs that are all the same genre. LaMontagne and Mayer do all kinds of stuff on their CDs. I kind of like the diversity of soul, funk, country, acoustic, blues, but I get what you’re saying.

    I think it all comes back to doing music he is comfortable with versus music “that sells”. If he can do what he likes to do and make enough to live like he wants to, isn’t that enough? I thought this effort was much more organic and like pre-idol stuff than anything he’s done since 10/05.

    I think many of us want validation of our support. I would love others to “get” Taylor’s music, but many don’t and some that did are now gone. Then again, some people don’t “get” Ellis Paul. Music is like paint color…every color hits peoples’ senses differently. Some colors are loved by everyone and some hated by everyone, but there’s a buttload of colors in the middle that are liked to different degrees by different people. Taylor is somewhere in Fuschia, me thinks.

  195. Snowstorm Says:

    People don’t connect to Taylor’s music because they consider it BLAND. Even his pre-Idol stuff – the music is too slow and general public is bored by this type of music.

    Taylor Hicks is not established in the music world and he’s not in a position to take risks and try all kinds of genres. Taylor should have picked few genres and try to have some success with that before he decides to experiment. The best songs on his cd, IMO, are the ones that have a soul/R&B edge. He also does well with Southern Rock.

  196. I’ve been whining about restoring the archives every chance I get. I love ya, GC, but I don’t understand why they aren’t available.

    It’s part of Taylor’s history. A great part. New fans might be interested in reading about it. I’d like to be able to quote it from time to time.

  197. I’ll give you the $25 bucks HQ wants from me.

  198. Snow, oh how you annoy me sometimes.

    The “general public” probably wouldn’t like Taylor’s pre AI music that much, that’s true. But there is a segment that does, and since Taylor isn’t making his pre AI music post AI, they might not ever hear it.

  199. Snowstorm Says:

    That segment is so small that it’s not enough to support a music career alone, hence his decision to do Grease. It ‘s sink or swim in the entertainment business.

  200. Maybe he can get a song played on the radio in each genre. ‘Nineteen’ on country stations, ‘WRIR’ on AC, ‘One Upon a Lover’ on Latin, etc… Kidding! (sort of)

  201. ” I think it all comes back to doing music he is comfortable with versus music โ€œthat sellsโ€.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Someone made a comment to me about a song neither of us care for .. it went something like this..
    Do you hear Taylor in there ? That’s because he’s not there.
    _______________________________

    ” If he can do what he likes to do and make enough to live like he wants to, isnโ€™t that enough? I thought this effort was much more organic and like pre-idol stuff than anything heโ€™s done since 10/05. ”
    – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Agreed on both points.

    Hmm . . this feels a bit like old times too.

  202. littlewing Says:

    Thanks True for the clarification. Those were the days! ๐Ÿ™‚

  203. spinshack Says:

    ๐Ÿ˜›

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