The Passion that is Taylor…or used to be

I was going through my LiveJournal and came across this. This was something that I posted on the front page of TMS and I caught a lot of flack for it back then. It’s from June 2008…and it’s still true today.

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I’ve been going through this, ahem, interesting phase in my fandomness of Taylor Hicks. I have friends in various stages. Some could care less if they ever see him again, some break out in a sweat at the mere mention of his name. I lean more towards the latter. But I keep coming back to something one of them said, one of them who was disillusioned with him. For someone who claims to be a soul singer, how come he’s never shown us his soul?

I was mulling over this question today on my walk, and I came to an answer. My own answer of course, because everyone else’s will be different. I think he has shown us his soul, but most of it was before Idol. It was on all those sets that someone had the forethought to record. In those songs, I can hear it. All the emotions spilling out of him, baring himself for everyone to see. The songs that he wrote on his first two indie albums are swimming in them. I can hear the rejection, the disappointment, the sadness of his youth. I can imagine the heartache and the pain, and connecting to a singer was something that had never happened to me.

Truth be told, I was never much into music. My brother was, and still is, the really musically inclined one. He still works for bands doing sound and loves it. I never really “got it” until Taylor. It really is a new finding for me, and I’m thankful for it. I can remember hearing his early stuff and just feeling overwhelmed with a sense of him. That had never happened to me before, and it kind of scared me. Those songs filled me with all of those emotions and brought my own shortcomings and faults to the surface. Those songs brought feelings out in me that I never even knew I had. Those songs caused me to open up and examine myself, examine my life and feel the music.

In those songs, such as Somehow and The Fall, I can hear everything in his voice. During that time, I think he exuded passion out of his pores. He put everything into a performance. I can tell that just by listening to them.

When he went into AI, he hit it full steam with raw, gritty emotion. Granted, they tried to beat it out of him, like they do everybody, but somehow, pieces of it stayed intact.

Check out this little snippet at :11…

And this one…I can remember watching this one over and over, wondering who he was singing about and longing to be the one who he was reaching for…

Once AI was over and he was free to go on his own tour, I was hoping for many more moments like that.I understand that people can’t be on every single time they’re on stage, but I guess I just wanted more. I don’t want people to misunderstand me, he’s a very dynamic performer. But every once in a while, I wouldn’t see the performer, I would see the person. Glimpsing those pieces of passion at some concerts, that’s what kept me going back for more.

And this…this took my breath away…This was fantastic and I just have to add it in…He was so damn happy that night…

I wanted to see that side of him, the side that lets us in to his very private world. Those times when he connected with the audience, those were the times when I stood in awe, mouth agape, not at the hotness of him, but the musical side, the side that I can relate to. I don’t know what it’s like to go through what he did as a child, but I know the feelings of abandonment, insecurity, feeling alone and being scared. In those rare moments, I connect with him, emotionally. No, I don’t pretend to “have a moment” or anything crazy like that. In my mind, it makes me feel connected to everyone around me, and makes me realize that the Southern soul singer from Alabama and this Northerner from the midwest aren’t really all that different after all.

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It’s interesting because that’s what made me want to listen to more of him. He wasn’t some bubblegum pop prince. He was raw and he was real..but only for a few short glimpses. You could see him loosen up and relax..and actually connect.

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127 Responses to “The Passion that is Taylor…or used to be”

  1. IAG,

    WOW…thank you so much for this. Your words could have come right out of my own head. This is what it has always been about for me. Initially it was the draw to the mystery that Taylor Hicks was, then it became about that shared and combined experience of being at a concert and standing next to so many people who just felt the music the way that you were feeling it….. and YES….. when Taylor was on… boy was he on.

    I was lucky enough to be at the HOB in Chicago that night, as well as many other great nights, and it was electric. But, then to have been lucky enough to have been one of the many that ended up that night at “Buddy Guys Legends” only to be surprised by not only have Buddy Guy, Keb Mo, Shemikia Coplend, Josh Smith, but then Taylor Hicks on the stage. That night was ALL about the music and the oneness that the musicians and the audience felt together. I think that is the part of Taylor that so many of us are drawn to and that so many of us hoping that we can reconnect with once again.

  2. I will be brutally honest…

    What I saw on Idol was someone who was dynamic. What I saw on the Idols tour was dynamic. What I saw post-Idol (his tours) was someone entirely different. It looked like someone going thru the motions. Oh yes, he shook his ass for you all.. because that’s what you all wanted, but was it something he wanted? Where was the heart and soul?? The answer is the music. It was a bad fit for him – from beginning to end. Turned him into a joke and critics were relentless poking fun at him. His audience must take some of blame also. A singer wants hot babes in the audience, not a bunch of post-menopausal women.

  3. There were a couple of concerts that I remember…of a different Taylor. One thing I’ve noticed about Taylor, he’s either on or he’s really not. I think on this next tour (keeping fingers crossed) that he needs to do more connecting with his audience. He keeps his distance (no pun intended) from his fans during the shows. Like I said earlier, there is a rare moment or two when you can see the person under the persona. I just wonder what he’s afraid of? Why not let people have a glimpse?

  4. The act of “baring your soul” to the world is a pretty stiff demand to make of anyone. I certainly don’t share most of the “real me” with random strangers. Every single one of us hide a good chunk of who we are from most of the world, and reveal it only to those we love and trust. The fact that I bought some CDs and concert tickets, does not give me the right to have intimate knowledge of Taylor Hicks’ soul. What he chooses to keep private is his, and his alone. I would think that a fanbase full of “anonymous” posters and pseudonyms would totally get that.

    The beauty of the artist lies in his or her ability to bring us to a place that we understand and feel emotionally connected to. That place does not have to be autobiographical in order for us to be moved by it.

    Listen to some Sam Cooke. He has left us the legacy of his music which still brings tears to my eyes, goose bumps to my skin, and the occasional skip to my heartbeat, after all these years. And yet, over 40 years after his murder under controversial circumstances, I am no closer to knowing who the real Sam Cooke was. His personal demons were his own, and I have no right to them. He gave us what he chose to give us, the amazing beauty of his artistry. In spite of whatever maelstrom may have been swirling in his personal life, when he sang he transported his audience to a place that meant something to them.

    If Taylor Hicks can transport me to a place that means something to me, while keeping the “real Taylor” safely tucked away, secure against the prying eyes of strangers, I say “Good for him.”

  5. Hey Soulaz…first off, thanks for posting.

    And you’re right, you don’t share parts of yourself with random strangers, but you aren’t an entertainer. This is what he wants to do with his life, and he’s been blessed enough to do that. I’ve been to other concerts, and the musicians seem to share anecdotes about the song, the writing process, or some insight to the music. I’m not asking Taylor to tell me about his sex life, or his feelings on Darfur. I’m just asking for a little bit of info on the music, the writing, why it happened, etc.

    I mean, let’s face it, Taylor is a visual performer. He hasn’t been able yet to “come across” on a CD like he does in person…unlike Sam Cooke. Maybe it’s the music choices, I don’t know.

  6. soulaz, I don’t think that’s what the author of this blog is talking about. None of us want Taylor to delve into his personal life thru his music – we just want him to feel the music like he did on AI and I certainly did not get it when I saw him live on stage in his own show.

  7. Snowstorm wrote: “His audience must take some of blame also. A singer wants hot babes in the audience, not a bunch of post-menopausal women.”

    And for what part of all this should the post-menoposal women take blame? That they’re fans? That something in Taylor’s music touched them and helped them reconnect with a part of themselves they may have lost while busy building a career or raising their children or doing both?

    I am so sick and tired of people blaming the demographics of Taylor’s fanbase for what they believe is his lack of “success.” Would he be more successful if all his fans over 40 just up and disappeared one day? I think not. All that would accomplish is to erode the small, hard-core fanbase he’s built over the past 3 years. And I don’t think any artist – no matter how sucessful – can afford to lose that.

    Soulaz, I agree with every single word you wrote.

    IAG, nice blog. I’ve been lurking since you opened your doors and it’s about time I told you how much I’m enjoying the intelligent discussions you’ve been hosting. Thank you.

  8. Thanks for the replies to my thoughts . . . and perhaps I misunderstood the original post. Were you meaning that you wished for sincerity and artistic integrity in Taylor’s future performances, as we have seen in so many of his past performances? If that’s what you mean, I’m totally with you on that . . .

    There are artists who truly do bare their entire souls for the world to see, and some who protect much more of themselves. I have respect for both types of artists, as long as they give me that emotional experience that can only be felt through music. I have felt that connection with artists whose entire lives are open books, and I have felt it with artists who are maddeningly intriguing mysteries. Bottom line for me? Both types of experiences have always turned me on, big time.

    I love music. It has a power over me that I gladly subjucate myself to every day of my life. My feelings about the relationship between artist and audience are not “right” . . . they are just mine. Just as your feelings are yours, and cannot be right or wrong.

    I have been enjoying the discussion on this blog so far. Lots of different points of view presented, without the demonization that so often occurs in fanbase discussions. I hope this atmosphere continues on this blog.

  9. Great discussion going on here. Soulaz…. it is great to hear from you again. You have been missed.

    I so agree that this kind of discussion is what we need more of instead of picking at each others bones. I for one am always up for a good discussion about music.

  10. Virtual Speak Says:

    I believe Taylor tries to leave a part of himself with his fans through his lyrics that he screws up. (tee hee hee) I’ve been to shows where he’s left nothing, and others where he’s left everything. It’s up to the individual to listen.

    As far as him shaking his ass for us because that’s what we all wanted. Maybe in part. But, soul music is rich in history for being sexual. That’s why the objectification rule on so many Taylor sites is so hypocritical.

    He bares his soul, the best he knows how. Through his music and his actions on stage.

  11. jerseyirish Says:

    I agree with Soulaz’s thoughts. When I saw Taylor he did connect with the crowd, he reached out and really involved as many as he could. Like Wonder said he takes many of us back to a time where we did connect to the music that we just don’t find with artists today. Seeing him on Idol made me smile each week, his interpertation and presentation were right on. He sparked my interest in music again, didn’t really care for what was out there these days. I don’t think Taylor will ever loose his soulful take on music it is a part of him.

    VS, I agree with you also, the screw up on the lyrics are a part of his personna. You get caught off gurard singing along, stop to think did I forget no its just Taylor being Taylor.

    JI

  12. Virtual Speak Says:

    Wonder Says:

    I am so sick and tired of people blaming the demographics of Taylor’s fanbase for what they believe is his lack of “success.” Would he be more successful if all his fans over 40 just up and disappeared one day? I think not. All that would accomplish is to erode the small, hard-core fanbase he’s built over the past 3 years. And I don’t think any artist – no matter how sucessful – can afford to lose that.

    Wonder, sadly for whatever the reasons are, he’s lost much of his fanbase. Young, middle-aged or old. Taylor sites are closing left and right. What are we left with? Taylor sites that closed off “communites” which do not allow new members or room for open healthy discussion.

    There isn’t even many good Taylor blogs left to discuss or speculate-with the exception of this one, and one or two others.

    The Boogie has a handful of the same fans that are more interested in contacting Taylor’s people about release dates, promotion, videos and stats.

    The demographic of his fanbase doesn’t bother me, because it is a fact.

  13. Virtual Speak Says:

    Hey Willpen and Soulaz nice to see you both here. 🙂

  14. Welcome, Wonder…

    Maybe I’m expecting too much of Taylor..although I don’t think so. But when he connects with the music, it is amazing.

    I, for one, have always been about healthy discussion. Or at least tried to be. I’m glad that you guys feel comfortable enough to post on here. I’m glad we can all be adults, because that is a rarity these days. 😉

  15. A singer cannot be successful with a predominately middle-age fanbase. I know it’s not what you want to hear, but it’s true. When was the last time Neil Diamond, Barry Manilow or Tom Jones had a hit song? I hope he can turn it around and came up with music that appeals to younger listeners, as well as older folks. If he has equal amounts of young and old.. that’s what he needs to aim for. The way it stand now, I would say 97% is middle-age and older.

  16. I don’t think that you necessarily have to have a hit song to be successful. Those three that you mentioned have had very successful careers, and have a lot of fans. There are lots of ways to be successful.

    And you’re right, most are middle age and older. I’ve been to a few Taylor concerts where I was sure I was one of the youngest there and I”m in my mid thirties. However, I don’t think Taylor looks out into the audience to look for a girlfriend. I don’t think he cares who buys his cd’s and merchandise, as long as somebody does. Besides, middle age people usually have more disposable income.

  17. IAG wrote — “One thing I’ve noticed about Taylor, he’s either on or he’s really not. I think on this next tour (keeping fingers crossed) that he needs to do more connecting with his audience. He keeps his distance (no pun intended) from his fans during the shows.”

    I have to agree with that part. I’m not expecting him to bare all for me, but a little more interaction with the audience would be nice. I’ve been to a few concerts and I’ve always thought he seemed aloof. Sometimes I felt like he couldn’t wait to be done get off the stage. But, that is just one observer’s opinion.

    Oh, yeah, and I am one of those post-menopausal fans. Doesn’t make me any less of a fan.

  18. All men, even Neil Diamond, Barry Manilow and Tom Jones, want hot looking women to attend their shows – it feeds their ego and makes them look good to potential fans. Also, a concert reviewer.. that’s the first thing he looks at.. is the demographics of the audience. Trust me, I know a lot about music.

    Also, without a hit song, Taylor will just fade away.. sad, but true. That’s the reason he is reinventing himself and looking at other options in the entertainment world, because he knows.

  19. I am fascinated by this discussion because it hits me right where I live. I appreciate the level of respect, given the differering points of view.

    Several have hinted about the “place” that Taylor takes them when they are transported by the music. I’ve experienced that place as well, both when listening to the pre-Idol recordings (Atlanta and Open Door especially) and also during many of Taylor’s live performances. That “place” is hard to describe, but I think soulaz hinted at it quite well. It’s not necessarily an autobiographical place, but a universal one, a place where something deeply personal can connect with the wider spirit given by the music. That requires the risk of opening the heart, but music has proven to me time and again that if I’m able to do that, there’s a reward to be reaped that’s worth the risk. (While I need to stay guarded when it comes to personal relationships, I’m happy that my heart is still permeable where music is concerned.) Of course, the result of such a deeply felt experience is that it leaves me wanting more of the same.

    I’m not taken to that “place” nor transported in any way when I see Taylor in the nudie suit, although I don’t begrudge him the career choice any more. In this day and age and economy, any steady paycheck would probably be hard to turn down, and he seems to be having a good time, so—whatever. I’ll sit this dance out for as long as it takes. I wait for the day when the music comes back, and hope that the passion and accessibility is still in him after all this time away from it.

  20. Where was the heart and soul?? The answer is the music. It was a bad fit for him – from beginning to end. Turned him into a joke and critics were relentless poking fun at him. His audience must take some of blame also. A singer wants hot babes in the audience, not a bunch of post-menopausal women.

    Snowstorm, I’m going to agree with the first part of your statement. If the production of the post AI CD went down as many of us suspect, and Taylor really wasn’t “all about the music” on that CD, then his heart and sould WOULD be missing. And one would think that fact would show in his performances, especially when singing those same songs over and over again, over the course of six or more months.

    However, I will take issue with the second part of your post.
    To say that ‘a singer wants hot babes in the audience, etc’ sounds like so much supposing. SS, do you KNOW what Taylor wants? Really?
    I would think that Taylor wants SALES. And any fan there is a ticket purchased. Bottom line.

  21. Demographics play a big part in a singer’s success. It’s always been that way – ALWAYS. A singer cannot be successful with an older fanbase. He needs all ages to be successful, with more younger than older.

  22. All male singers want hot-looking women to be their fans – REMEMBER, THEY ARE MEN!

  23. Really, Snowstorm? You think Clay Aiken wants hot looking women in his audience?

  24. … with more younger (fans), than older

    Really?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Newton

    He performed over 30,000 solo shows in Las Vegas over a period of over 40 years
    30,000 solo shows
    And who’s his audience?
    Post menopausal women.

  25. Yes, Clay Aiken wants hot-looking and younger fans, too, because that means he is more likely to get radio airplay. In fact, that’s the reason he does not get played, because the Claymates and the Soul Patrol are just about the same fanbase age wise.

  26. I kind of doubt it that when Taylor Hicks set out to be the american idol, he was looking for a career like Wayne Newton. Sorry, I don’t see it. Or, are you joking?

  27. I doubt he set out to be Teen Angel, either…but that happened.

  28. My point being, SS, that despite anyone’s personal opinion on Mr. Newton, he’s one of the most successful performers in history. The mainstay of his audience being post-menopausal women.

    Now, being that the topic of IAG’s post is Taylor’s connection with his audience, I won’t belabor what Taylor Hicks set out to be; I’ve had my say on this tangent.

    In relation to IAG’s topic, however, I did experience that kinship with Taylor’s music, but I’ll add that I felt those soul stirring connections most in the tags, and the acoustic encores.

  29. Right, he’s successful in Vegas…he’s a Vegas performer, but he’s actually small potatoes compared with the greats (Tony Bennett, Frank Sinatra, etc). And, as far as Taylor goes, it’s obvious Taylor will take anything that’s offered him, because he did not make the big time. There’s still a little bit of hope for him with his next release, but I’m not holding my breath. Even if he gets critical acclaim and respect from his musical peers, that would still mean a lot to him. I just wonder how different things would have been for him if he had made the right decisions the first time around.

  30. “All men, even Neil Diamond, Barry Manilow and Tom Jones, want hot looking women to attend their shows – it feeds their ego and makes them look good to potential fans. Also, a concert reviewer.. that’s the first thing he looks at.. is the demographics of the audience. Trust me, I know a lot about music.”
    Snow, you say you know music, so in that you likely would be aware of the practice that many performers’ management often hold. I’ve been backstage at concerts hanging with the folks running the show, seen how it can work to ‘stage’ an audience. I’ve seen handlers send out their guys to scour the audience, selecting what and who they want seen at the ‘feet’ of their artist – this especially true if it is a concert in which tape is going to be made as a promotional tool. They want those beautiful people up front. It’s about image, so I partially understand your point you’re pushing.

    Problem, you can’t manipulate what folks like. So he has some older fans – so do many artists. I happen to enjoy a band called Eve 6 – attending their concerts also runs the gamut of crowd in attendance from the young hot babes to folks older who just appreciate good sound. It’s not just isolated to Idol performers, it’s just the way it is. Focusing on the age demographics in a heavy degree is largely a moot point since that is nothing anyone can control.

    Doubtful Mr. Hicks cares who or what his fans look like if he does, well, he shouldn’t. That’s not important really, in the Big Picture. What is important, staying true to that heart he’s evidenced in the past. That is what will bring him success. Deviating from that heart and soul may be what has created certain success issues for him. Hindsight’s always 20/20 – that’s true for all of us.

  31. Only Taylor Hicks can control his audience and, yes, the age of his audience, as well. If he continues to put out AC, middle of the road type of music, then guess what kind of audience he will get? A mature audience, like he has now. Now, you ask yourself, “what’s wrong with having a mature audience?” The answer is, this demographic is not known for buying music and before you know it, the music career you have dreamed about, is over.

    He’s got it in him to be more cutting-edge. Why not expand your audience?

  32. I’m sorry, I just don’t see Taylor as a cutting edge artist. He’s too much of a throwback for that.

  33. Certainly he should work at expanding his audience. I believe he’s working on that now with this turn in “Grease” and the upcoming CD promised for March. “Grease:” is his marketing vehicle to ride the CD out to the public on – but the music will have to have a voice and be worthy of being heard to carry itself. Should Mr. Hicks provide that which captivated many of us back in the beginning – I’ll add I first heard his pre-reality show music on WOOO Radio during the run of the show – then he should find that success he seeks.

    Appearing on Idol again this next season to promote the CD concerns me to a degree. Should he go on and be ‘that guy’ you know, that character he utilized while campaigning for the win, it won’t help him.

    If he steps out and is just Taylor Hicks the musician, that guy we’ve seen he has in his heart and soul, it will work to his benefit. Re-invention doesn’t mean stepping back. Should the man go on Idol and just blow the audience away with a truly soulful performance, sans mad dancing, it will be that reinvention he may be seeking. Doing that would perhaps alter mainstream perception of him as a singer/performer. Could create one of those WTF moments; a ‘man, this guy IS good’ moment. As always, I await to see what this guy’s gonna do next.

  34. Well, I think he already attempted that serious side of him, when he was on Idol for the season 6 finale. However, he just seemed to be an afterthought on that show. I’m afraid he’s pissed off the wrong people, and he’s never going to get what he’s looking for.

  35. Snow, I disagree with the middle age demo crowd not buying music, that’s random generalities regarding age bracket. We also have seen on-line how the Idol fans can rally to purchase music of their faves. lol 😉

    Music business in general has changed – artists need, in today’s market, to make their tunes available on many different purchasing levels – and importantly – MARKET that music.

  36. IAG, in that finale it wasn’t that great of a performance. He seemed very rushed when he performed, like going through the motions. Sure I enjoyed seeing him on the show, but it wasn’t a real ‘moment’ for him.

    Certainly he’s pissed off folks with the show, it’s completely possible that his time has passed and nothing more can come of him, especially where this reality show is concerned. Thing is, they’re talking about having him on again, so that’s something. It’s a massive audience to use to show his new material to – really I just can’t see passing up the opportunity for Mr. Hicks to go on air and whip up some lemonade.

  37. spinshack, it’s a proven fact that mature people do not buy music. Shortly after Taylor was dropped, a spokesperson for Arista made that statement. So, are you saying that Arista is wrong? I will search for the article if you don’t believe me.

    Also, Taylor failed to attract people outside of Idol, that’s the problem.

  38. Personally, I don’t think that a random statement by a spokesperson for Arista is the bottom line for music.

    I think the music industry has and will continue to change.

  39. “With Taylor, you’re going into an adult format,” Corson said. “We hope it translates younger, but the music right now is much more adult. It’s a longer burn, a longer process.”

    Hicks’ target audience is a bit more passive, said Corson, who noted that “it just takes a little longer to get those people to buy.”

    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/05/02/entertainment/music/10_53_135_2_07.txt

  40. IAG, so what are saying, that you know more about music than the executive vice president of J Records? What exactly is your background in music?

  41. That is absolutely not what I’m saying. I think I’ve been perfectly clear about my background in music. I don’t profess to know much about it all, but in my opinion, one spokesman in an entire industry doesn’t define Taylor’s career for me, that’s all.

  42. Here’s a great article about how the music industry is changing thanks to the internet…I just think that the old standard of the teenage girl buying everything is slowly changing.

    http://www.digital-web.com/articles/Is_The_Web_Really_Helping_Us_Find_New_Music

  43. So, you are saying that the executive vice president of J Records is wrong? That’s not an opinion, btw.. that is a fact. Older do not buy music and most do not download or own an I-pod. Their children do, but the parents do not. I’m sorry, that’s not what you want to hear, but it’s true.

  44. Never underestimate the power of the teenage girl. They have all the power and they are ones who dictate music. Think back to when you were a teen. I’m sorry, that’s not what you want to hear, but that will never change.. ever since rock and roll was invented.

  45. I remember reading that article, Snow, sure it carries some truth, but also smacks of excuses for the way that CD was handled from production to market.

    I like Mr. Hicks’ approach: be the tortoise.
    Example:
    And Hicks, who is on a nationwide tour in support of the album, has a plan to boost sales.

    “It’s slow and steady wins the race,” he said. “You know, to have overnight record success, you know, it’s tough to do. You have to massage the record-buying audience as much as you have to massage the live performing audience, you know?”

    “Massage”, as a word to market music, that’s novel – haha!

  46. Just wondering, SS, but what is your background in music?
    Because you seem awful sure of yourself.

    Excuse me if I don’t believe everything that comes out of the media. I’m cynical like that. 😉

  47. I’ve studied music and had a brief career in the music industry.

  48. Well, I’m not going to speculate how it was handled from production to market. However, my personal opinion is that at some point J Records gave up on the whole project. They didn’t see a return and you don’t put money into something if you don’t think you will get any profit from. It’s a business, like any other money-making business. Plus, you have take into consideration the bad economy and recession – people are not spending money on music.

  49. jerseyirish Says:

    I don’t think Taylor’s sound/genre will attract the younger floks, but I do think he can survive with an older fan base. Most have extra money to spend to go to shows and that is Taylor’s bright spot, his live shows, that is where he shows what he is made of. The music for last 20 years just does not appeal to me, I call it angry rock. Taylor appeas to me and I believe folks around my age, because he takes you back to a time for me at least when music was real, it had meaning and touched you. I don”t hear that today. I grew up listening to Ray Charles, Ottis Retting, Sam Cook, Joe Cocker, and Pink Flyod, their music moved me and kept me listening. Hell even hearing Taylor sing “The Star Spangled Banner” moves me, it is his raw deep sound and love of music that shine through in anything he does that keeps me around.

    JI

  50. I mean, let’s face it. Taylor is never going to have the commercial success of say, Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, or even Chris Daughtry. He just doesn’t sing the right kind of music for that. That being said, however, doesn’t mean that he can’t be successful in his own way. Like I said before, there are different versions of success…and ultimately it really has to do with fulfilling the goals that one sets for one’s self.

  51. Unfortunately, the SP has shrunk so much that I don’t think there is enough people to support his career as it stands now. However, he can turn it around if he makes a great CD… perhaps those who have left will come back. I guess time will tell. Miracles do happen. 🙂

  52. Very interesting, tandjam. Thanks for posting. 🙂

  53. But the fact remains.. the people that supported Taylor throughout Idol, were not there for him (for whatever reason) when it came time to buy his CD.

  54. Snowstorm,

    You seem intent on making a point that I think we all do understand on some level. I believe that there was a comment made here some time back ( correct me if I am wrong) that stated that Taylor had a garnered a larger TV fan base from AI than an actual Music fan base. I think that this point was RIGHT on the money.

    What I have come to realize about American Idol, which is the personification of Reality TV at it’ worst, is that people are really watching it for it’s entertainment value and no further. The reason that Kelly, or Carrie or Chris did well is that they fell into a more mainstream genre that was easier to sell to the ever fickle public. What is hot today is not going to be hot tomorrow.

    I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s when it was the Monkees one week, then the Dave Clark Five the next. Young teenage girls are simply NOT faithful to their music. That did not happen to me until I was in my later teens and my early 20’s ( excluding The Beatles, of course).

    As I developed and my tastes in music developed I became more inclined to stick to one genre of music, BUT I was still never inclined to stick to just one artist. It ran the gamut for me. But that was back in the days when there was nothing better than to buy a new crisp album, then open it and lay down on your bed with your headphones on your ears, having the album opened to the beautiful album art that was always so prevalent and just to get lost in the music.

    This is simply NOT a reality in music any more. My two sons never buy CD’s. They simply download music which makes it so much more disposable. So the argument that music has not changed is not really a valid one. Everything media related is changing and everything moves so fast that it is a constant battle to stay ahead of the new change.

    Taylor is one of thousands upon thousands of talented musicians out there that are now battling to have their voices heard. Demographics does not play so much a part as knowing how to expand your general audience through online access. There are so many examples of this being done out there now.

  55. The only point I am trying to make is that Taylor’s music MUST appeal to everyone, not just the older generation. He must expand his audience because if he doesn’t, I do believe he will have a small music career and most likely going back to the small clubs and bars he played at before Idol, but just the fact that’s he’s getting his feet wet by trying out acting, is very telling to me and it should be to everyone. He knows that the opportunity that was given to him has passed him by, so now he’ trying out other options. Taylor wants fame.

  56. Snowstorm,

    I do agree with all the points that you are making here, but I sometimes honestly do not think that he is capable of this. I feel like you about the whole Grease thing. It may have been a choice that he made just to keep the funds rolling and honestly the thought of Taylor acting sends shudders up and down my spine ( and not in a good way). But the point that I am trying to make is maybe….. just maybe…. he may never achieve the fame that so few artists really ever do. He may just have to be happy making music and being buoyed by the fact that there are legitimate musicians out there that take him seriously. Maybe that is all he ever really wanted, and like so many have said, do we really no that for sure.

  57. Why do I feel so exhausted? We have the same discussions over and over. But since I see some of my favorite posters here, I have to get in on it:

    Snowstorm, you feel that Taylor needs to try to appeal to a younger audience. That can only mean that you feel he needs to record pop music, correct? Disposable music- here today, gone tomorrow. That’s not who he is. He’s going to make the music that moves him. Period. If it only appeals to older fans than that’s just the way it is. Isn’t believing in what you do more important than making a ton of money? This is basic Taylor 101, we all know this by now, aiight?

    I could write more eloquently, but I’m trying to appeal to a younger reader.

  58. I think that Taylor is quite realistic about his career and always has been. What would be the sense of his changing the type of music he performs in order to appeal to an audience that is much younger than he is? Would he be happy performing the sort of music that dominates the pop music world at the present time? I tend to think not. Teenagers are most probably never going to embrace the type of music Taylor loves to perform…in all honesty, I don’t think they possess the sophistication (musical and otherwise) to appreciate it. Taylor will carve out his own type of career doing the music he loves. It may not be the career that you or I wish for him, but I’m confident that he will be able to thrive in a manner that will enable him to be happy and continue in music, without having to go to work at the bank! I believe that he earns the respect of other musicians who have the opportunity to work with him, and that the respect of other musicians may be more important to him than being the latest pop sensation. At any rate, he seems to be happy performing in Grease and is clearly very pleased with his new album. Will it make him the brightest star in music? Probably not, but just maybe that isn’t really what he is looking for. And when all is said and done, it is his life and career…the only person who has to be happy with it is Taylor Hicks.

  59. Virtual Speak Says:

    Taylor doesn’t have to make music that appeals to everyone. Not one artist has yet to achieve that. What he does have to do, is make music that appeals to more than just the current Soul Patrol he has now. We as fans, cannot sustain him.

  60. jerseyirish Says:

    Hey Caryl, Agree with what you say. He needs to stay true to who he is when performing his music, that is what he has said all along. He isn’t concerned with record sale numbers as some others are, he is at his best live reaching and touching the crowd. I think that is where he is most happy.

    JI

  61. Snowstorm, you feel that Taylor needs to try to appeal to a younger audience. That can only mean that you feel he needs to record pop music, correct?

    No, not correct. He tried to record pop ballads with his TH cd and that failed.

  62. Taylor doesn’t have to make music that appeals to everyone. Not one artist has yet to achieve that. What he does have to do, is make music that appeals to more than just the current Soul Patrol he has now. We as fans, cannot sustain him.

    Correct! That’s what I’m trying to say. Unfortunately, Taylor’s music is not mainstream, but if he has good songs.. that’s what matters. It’s the song that matters, not the genre.

  63. As for the “Grease” thing, as much as I hate it, he’s good at it. I recently saw one of his earliest interviews. It was on American Idol where they first asked him about his hair. They also asked about his background in music and he said, “I’ve always been an entertainer.” Note the word, “entertainer”, not “musician.”

    Unfortunately for those of us who are only turned on by the music, I THINK (all conjecture here) Taylor would be happy entertaining people in any capacity. Remember how John Denver wound up on every variety show and even hosted his own comedy specials? (I’m already gagging, but…) Taylor may be one of those guys. A lovable “personality” who can sing.

    Now that I’m completely bummed, I want to go away and think about the original topic itsallgrey brought up. Maybe I’ll have something to add.

  64. Caryl,

    I agree about the original topic. It was a very good one and once again we have managed to move the conversation back to what divides us most. Why can’t we simply just talk about how the music makes US feel.

  65. Wasn’t John Denver and variety shows going back 30-40 years? How does that translate in today’s music scene? Aren’t variety shows a thing of the past? I think Rosie O’Donnell tried having a variety show and I believe it bombed very badly.

    Why is Taylor’s fanbase so stuck in the past? That’s all I ever hear about is how things were a long, long, long time ago.

  66. Virtual Speak Says:

    Snowstorm Says:

    Why is Taylor’s fanbase so stuck in the past? That’s all I ever hear about is how things were a long, long, long time ago.

    I believe you have answered your own question, and this is on topic. Taylor’s fanbase (demographically 35-50something) likes things from a long, long time ago. Why?

    Because they like the way he makes them feel. Randy Jackson as early as Taylor’s audition mentioned how Taylor was a “throw back” and several times after that.

    Blues and Soul is about feeling.

    Variety shows are passé. Today’s generation want reality shows and instant gratification.

  67. Yes, i get how Taylor’s fans likes the old music. Speaking for myself, I also like old music too, but I also like new music and today’s music. I do not limit myself when it comes to music. It always seems to me that most of Taylor’s fans are stuck in the past and are very close-minded when it comes to music.

    There is a way to bring the elements of old music to today’s music and many artists have done this – Robin Thicke, John Legend, Joss Stone, Amy Winehouse, Ray LaMontagne and they are all successful, with a fanbase that is not older. Taylor has not come close to that quality of music of those artists.

  68. jerseyirish Says:

    SS, I think Taylor can’t be compared to those folks because he is a product of a variety show. His post Idol CD was not what he probably wanted, it was more what Idol pushed on him and he made the best of it. This new CD should show Taylor pre-Idol form then I think there can be a comparison made. His two earilier CD’s had he been noticed had the promotion then I think you might see him in line with the folks you mention. But that didn’t happen, he has the freedom and money this time to produce what he really wants, I don’t think folks will be disappointed this time out.

    JI

  69. His pre-Idol stuff is just OK. Most of those songs needed more polish and work and sounded amateurish to me.

    Also, Taylor said he picked the songs on his post-Idol Cd, although I’m sure some of that stuff was probably forced on him.

  70. Huh. To each her own, I guess. I happen to think that Taylor’s pre Idol music is the real Taylor. I’m hoping he finds himself again for this next cd.

  71. “Wasn’t John Denver and variety shows going back 30-40 years?”

    Oh, for God’s sakes! I guess I have to spell everything out. I wasn’t saying he should do that sort of thing. I almost included this sentence in that comment, “Thank God variety shows are dead.” but I guess I assumed I didn’t need to add that.

    I was just making a comparision. I have no idea how that translates into today’s world and that may be Taylor’s problem. I would HATE to see him doing cutsie skits and dancing with The Muppets. The only Taylor I’m interested in is the guy who performs his own music. Unfortunately, the public at large seems more interested in American Idol Taylor.

    American Idol is a variety show, in my opinion. Cute little Ford commercials, adorable interviews with the contestants, guest stars, and a bit of music sprinkled in. That’s right, I said it. A bit of music.

    Boy. I’m in a bitchy mood. So unlike me. Guess I should go listen to my Big Band albums and pop a few more hormones. (Does one “pop” hormones? whatever)

  72. Caryl,

    I believe one INJESTS hormones, the same as we have to INJEST so many other things in life…:::SIGH:::..let me get my walker and I will come meet you.

  73. jerseyirish Says:

    iag, Agree his pre idol stuff although raw and not polished is what I liked and still like about Taylor. What I was saying if he had the opportunities he has now and produced those two CD’s as new works I think things may have been very different for Taylor, but Idol was his last ditch to get his name out there. Early Works much better quality then the originals but alot of people didn”t buy because they felt it duplicated what they already had.

    SS, i am sure he picked the songs, from a list that they gave him. I don’t think these folks have a whole lot of freedom in what they do once they win. Don’t know for a fact just my opinion, he worked with what he was given, and I think he did a good job with it.

    Caryl, Would not want to see him on a variety show as in the 60-70’s the cutsie stuff, that just isn’t him. Could I see him doing some type of musical special, yes and would love to see something like that.

    JI

  74. Don’t take this the wrong way, but I don’t think very many posting here are music fans, especially when you say you’ve been away from music a long time. Most of you are TV fans, who are in love with a TV star/celeb. If Taylor had not appeared on Idol, you would still, most likely, have no interest in music, so it’s good that he, at least, opened your eyes.

  75. Willpen, sorry I didn’t respond right away- I had to find me glasses to read your response.

    For the record (hey, if it’s good enough for Britney. See how I snuck in a pop culture reference? Right? Maybe I’m more hip than you thought. Damn! I said “hip” again. I have to erase that word from my vocabulary so I can come across as…cool. Yeah, that’s me, cool).

    WTH was I talking about? Oh yeah, I’m not stuck in the past musically. I don’t know what it matters but I’ve been walking around my house…I mean, hobbling around with my cane…with that sentence stuck in my head and it’s bugging me.

    I listen to everything. I’ll be setting myself up for ridicule, but I don’t really care, so I’m going to type up the artists CDs I’ve got right here on my desk: Corrine Bailey Rae, 3 Doors Down, Sheryl Crow, Sarah McLachlan, Bonnie Raitt, Taylor Hicks, Avril Lavigne, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Alanis Morissette, Linkin Park, Dixie Chicks, Green Day, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Colbie Caillat…OK, that’s enough. I’m tired of typing. Yes, I know CDs are SO yesterday, but I like reading the liner notes and having the actual physical CD in my hands.

    I’m going away now.

  76. ShadowlesSoul Says:

    caryl,

    No need to go away. Nobody here ridicules anyone. I happen to like many of the artists you mentioned.

    Interesting discussion here..

    Snowstorm don’t take this the wrong way, but, the only thing I see you say is the same exact thing over and over. Taylor needs younger fans, Taylor needs younger fans, Taylor needs younger fans, Taylor needs younger fans, Taylor needs younger fans, Taylor needs younger fans, oh, wait.. and.. Taylor needs younger fans..

    Does that make for a music aficionado?

    Please don’t judge people for being music fans or not.

    You’re obviously trying very hard to take this blog that has healthy open discussion into the gutter to prove a point.

  77. ShadowlessSoul Says:

    caryl,

    No need to go away. Nobody here ridicules anyone. I happen to like many of the artists you mentioned.

    Interesting discussion here..

    Snowstorm don’t take this the wrong way, but, the only thing I see you say is the same exact thing over and over. Taylor needs younger fans, Taylor needs younger fans, Taylor needs younger fans, Taylor needs younger fans, Taylor needs younger fans, Taylor needs younger fans, oh, wait.. and.. Taylor needs younger fans..

    Does that make for a music aficionado?

    Please don’t judge people for being music fans or not.

    You’re obviously trying very hard to take this blog that has healthy open discussion into the gutter to prove a point.

  78. jerseyirish Says:

    SS, I readily admit I don’t listen to radio like I used to. When I do listen and hear something I like I will seek it out and get it. The problem is I don’t hear much that I like anymore just dosen’t catch me in any way, so I tend to go with what I am familiar with. Taylor did catch me I liked what I had heard, I said earilier I never watched Idol just stumbled across it the night they showed his audition, he was worth staying tuned into.

    JI

  79. Taylor will not make it without younger fans and I’ve been right about that from the very beginning.

  80. Getting back to the topic of Taylor bearing his soul in his music, the Tv cameras captured his face and movements as he performed. He was on each week because it was so imortant. Someone said he was on during the AI tour. He performed 4 or 5 songs for that. It was stated that during his post CD 2007 tour, he seemed to be at times just going thru the motions and not feeling the music and sharing with the audience. He did 280 shows in 2007 on tour. Performing for an hour, requires using some fillers, ass wiggling, cow bell, tambourine etc. Also if one was not seated right up front, how could you judge his expressions/soulfulness. The man was tired going from city to city, with few days off and he was even sick at times. In the middle of that tour, he did a beautiful version of The Right Place, on the View. I watched and I saw a soulful, passionate man sing beautifully. Lets give Taylor a break, oh and please give we older fans a break, he needs us and I’m not planning on going anywhere, especially to the bone yard, any time soon. I have enjoyed reading this thread and thanks again IAG for writing your blog.

  81. Wow …

    Snowstorm wrote: “It always seems to me that most of Taylor’s fans are stuck in the past and are very close-minded when it comes to music.”

    I could not disagree with you more. I’ve discovered more new musicians and bands in the last 3 years than I had in the previous five. And I wasn’t exactly a “new music” slouch then either. And all my discoveries were in one way or another because of Taylor. I think it’s safe to assume many of his fans would say the same thing.

    C’mon, SS, how about dropping the generalizations and pronouncements? The only person you can speak for is yourself. Plese don’t speak for all his fans – we’re more than capable of doing it ourselves.

    SS again: “Don’t take this the wrong way, but I don’t think very many posting here are music fans, especially when you say you’ve been away from music a long time. Most of you are TV fans, who are in love with a TV star/celeb. If Taylor had not appeared on Idol, you would still, most likely, have no interest in music, so it’s good that he, at least, opened your eyes.”

    There we go again with the generalities. I’ve always been deeply interested in music. Been submerged in it all my life. I grew up in a family of musicians and was exposed to all genres and forms from birth. And the fact that I caught Taylor’s audition on TV doesn’t make me a TV fan. I watch very little of it, in fact. I’d much rather be listening to music, and I do.

    I’d be likely to give your arguments more weight, SS, if you’d stop posting in a manner that implies you know all and won’t give up until the rest of us acknowledge that. I haven’t the time or patience to spar with you. Nor do I enjoy being shoved into a little box of your design. Don’t label me and don’t speak for me.

  82. make that it was so (important), not imortant.

  83. I’ve been right about Taylor from the very beginning, so that’s all I’m going to say. You can interpret that any way you would like to.

    But, the fact of the matter is, Taylor does not have enough fans to support his music career.

  84. jerseyirish Says:

    Wonder, totally agree with you. I may not listen to alot or radio, but do get to hear alot. I hear what my kids play and sometimes I hear something I like they will make copies for me. I also through Taylor have found new music I listen to that I would have never of known about had it not been for Taylor.

    Rosie, also agree with you. The man did so many shows even when he was sick. I was lucky to be pretty close to the front when I saw him. His stage presence amazes me, you could see how each lyric he sang came from his soul, he moved me just as he did most of the audience. From the first time I saw him till now I still see that deep soul he has.

    JI

  85. Go and listen to some Otis Redding, Sam Cooke, Ray Charles, Van Morrison, Charles Brown . . . better yet, listen and or watch live performances by these artists. Then listen and or watch some Taylor Hicks performances. The impact these people have had on Taylor’s performances is unmistakable.

    The journey that Taylor needs to take to find his passion, to get back to the original premise of this post, is backwards, not forwards. These artists from “a long, long, long time ago” are obviously his inspiration, and where his passion was born.

    My hope is that the music on Taylor’s new CD allows him to experience his passion for his music, and that it will find an audience who wants to experience that passion with him.

    I will not debate what the age of Taylor’s fans should be, because as Hilary Duff would say, that’s “so yesterday, so yesterday.”

  86. I think that Maelstrom…oops sorry.. I mean Snowstorm…. is just possibly a bit bored herself. Maybe we can all follow Caryl’s suggestion and suggest some of the REAL music that us old folks from the 70’s grew up with.

    I am proud to say that I have given both my sons a very sound and basic education in music. They are both in their 20’s and they are both extremely opened to all different genres of music thanks to the musical education that I gave them growing up. They have heard it all from Classic Rock, to Rock and Roll, to Latin, to R&B. I am constantly sharing new artists with them and vice versa. My ability to assimilate music and to recognize it for it’s true value has only grown more as I have grown older. I am probably of more value to a true musician now then when I was 20 years younger.

    As for Taylor NOT having enough fans to support his career, maybe you are correct. That is what HE needs to do now and I am frankly happy for him that he may finally have the chance to reach some real serious music fans, having now been able to leave some of the casual American Idol TV fans behind. The only place Taylor can go from here is up as far as I am concerned. Whether or not I particularly choose to follow him is of little consequence in the big picture. If I like where his music is going, I will follow. If not then there are many out there who may like it.

    I think that the nitpicking is just an attempt at baiting and IAG does not deserve to have her very nice blog bogged down by any negativity. We are all adults here….or maybe not.

    IAG, sorry to have been a bit pissy here, but like others have said… sometimes you just gotta say what ya gotta say.

  87. “I’ve been right about Taylor from the very beginning, so that’s all I’m going to say. You can interpret that any way you would like to.

    But, the fact of the matter is, Taylor does not have enough fans to support his music career.”

    Okay, you’re right, SS. And you will be right about every single thing you post on this blog from now on. Thank you for showing me the errors of my ways.

    Soulaz wrote: “The journey that Taylor needs to take to find his passion, to get back to the original premise of this post, is backwards, not forwards. These artists from “a long, long, long time ago” are obviously his inspiration, and where his passion was born.”

    I agree with you. And I’m hoping that’s what he’s discovered and what we’ll experience when we hear the new album. For his sake, I hope he finds a broader audience. For my sake, it wouldn’t bother me a bit if I never had to pay for nosebleed seats to see him making music.

  88. ShadowlessSoul Says:

    “caryl,
    No need to go away. Nobody here ridicules anyone. I happen to like many of the artists you mentioned.”

    Oh, no, I wasn’t heading out because I was afraid of being slammed. I seriously don’t care about that. I’m just kind of bored with the same ole, same ole argument about Taylor’s fanbase and how he needs to attract younger fans. Guess I didn’t go away for long, anyway!

    I’d like to contribute to the discussion itsallgrey started but I haven’t been able to put into words what I want to say. I know that I’ve felt frustrated at times, feeling as though Taylor was holding back in a performance. I’ve sensed that he doesn’t connect with love songs. And I’ve definitely experienced a show where he seemed to be merely going through the motions. But maybe that’s just show biz, baby. A flesh and blood human being can’t always give 100%. But maybe I need to dig deeper to get at what itsallgrey is really referring to.

    Ack! I gotta get some actual work done. This is way too interesting and I’ve got company coming in two days. I’m going to have to tear myself away.

  89. jerseyirish Says:

    Soulz, Couldn’t have said it better. Taylor for me takes me back to place where music was simple had depth and meaning to me, frankly I don’t hear that anymore.

    Willpenn, We also showed our children the same type of music background you showed yours. As far as music goes they are very well rounded and can appreciate good music when they hear it, even if it isn’t top 40. My daughter will do searches of bands with genres of the ones she likes and has found many new bands she likes and shares them with her brother me and my husband. We are all open to new music and sounds, but I always seem to go back to my roots of the Sam Cook, Ray Charles, Pink Floyd, Van Morrison that for me is good listening music.

    JI

  90. Virtual Speak Says:

    To quote a favorite movie of mine.

    Playing music is supposed to be fun. It’s about heart, it’s about feelings, moving people, and something beautiful, and it’s not about notes on a page. I can teach you notes on a page, I can’t teach you that other stuff.

    Taylor is far from what got me interested in music. He just happens to be an artist I still believe has the potential to be above and beyond what he gave us on his first major label. He keeps me hanging on because of his influences of long, long, ago.

  91. I’ll tell you who Taylor was not connecting with.. it was the audience he was singing to. Put yourself in Taylor’s shoes… you are young man trying to make it in the music business, but all you see are middle-aged women. How would that make you feel? I’m not trying to be mean to you, but most of you are not living in the real world. If you say you have been around music all your life, then you should by now, how it works. You can’t possibly be that clueless. The music industry does not cater to you and they never will.

  92. Virtual Speak Says:

    Speaking for Taylor certainly isn’t living in the real world SS. How do you know how he feels? A bit presumptuous no?

  93. Well, if he’s not connecting to his audience, what does that tell you? When he was on Idol, he obviously did connect to the audience and more importantly to the TV audience. When I saw him on the Idol tour, he also connected to the audience. I was in the 3rd row, so I had a close view of him. I thought he was fantastic, btw. I still remember how the crowd loved him and the cheers for him were deafening. However, when I saw him in his own tour, I felt little/no connection coming from him and I was seated in the fifth row. Maybe he had a bad night – I don’t know, but if you are an entertainer, you must give it your all, regardless of the audience you have in front of you.

  94. Snowstorm,

    You ARE trying to be mean, and I for one am growing tired of your childish behavior. You apparently were never taught to be respectful when you speak to people. Maybe you were just an impossible child to deal with, because it seems to me that you have not really matured much. So I have decided that I am going to bed now, since I am OLD. I will be more than happy to contribute to future conversations here but I have to say that you have done your best to clear the room tonight and as far as I am concerned you have accomplished your goal.

    Good Night to all. Hopefully we can continue on a lighter and more positive vein in the future.

  95. I am not being mean, but I am being realistic. I have not called anybody here any names and have not gotten personal with anyone.

  96. Snowstorm, the music industry as a whole does not cater to older fans, but certain artist do. Taylor sings the music he likes which is not the current pop music. Are you wishing he dye his hair dark brown or black, have hair over his eyes like Zack E., and sing mostly pop songs, get some tatoos, run around with a female celeb or two, and do whatever it takes to garner a younger fan base?

  97. The only way to garner a younger fanbase is to have good, contemporary songs. He must watch himself that his songs are not dated or bland. Ray Charles music is not contemporary, and it hasn’t been contemporary in decades. He must have a least a few songs that are radio friendly. He must also make a music video that gets played on VH1.

  98. Ah Rosie, those are great suggestions! Perhaps Taylor should get addicted, crack up a car, and head to rehab. Maybe then he would garner some younger fans! lol!

    Snowstorm, I think we all “get it”. Thanks for all the insight! 😉

  99. I’m curious as to what qualifies as a “good, contemporary song”? Because an old fart like me, who DOES buy CDs quite often (I can afford to) tends to avoid the contemporary stuff. You’ll never see me buying a Britney, Jonas Brothers, Taylor Swift or even Christina Aguilera CD. But I willl throw my money out there to buy anything classic rock, blues or jazz. Maybe Taylor should try his hand at hip-hop. That would be amusing.

  100. Snowstorm, you seem familiar. I think you’ve made a few comments at my blog as well. Remember the radio dispute? Good times.

    Well, I’m off to bed as well. But…how can I say this? I’m tired of feeling bad about myself just because I like Taylor’s music. I’m not an old, decrepit, bored housewife with no real interest in music. Geez. Music touches me deeply, it always has.

    Shoot, my husband just came in and wants me to get off the computer. I didn’t get to tell you how cute I am, or how I’ve never bedazzled anything in my life or how I don’t give a crap who Taylor dates or…well, you get the idea. I’m just a fan. Taylor’s music moves me and that’s all I care about.

    see ya.

  101. Virtual Speak Says:

    Pipsmon-

    Taylor is actually an awesome freestyle rapper. 😆

    Check it:

    Around the 10 minute mark.

  102. Ah, yes, the Marty’s vid. I have seen that. And I’ll listen to him sing like that any day.

  103. Virtual Speak Says:

    Oops.. it actually starts at the 7:25 mark.

  104. Playing music is supposed to be fun. It’s about heart, it’s about feelings, moving people, and something beautiful, and it’s not about notes on a page. I can teach you notes on a page, I can’t teach you that other stuff.

    Hey VS, “Wedding Singer”? LOL! 😉

  105. Could everyone please just stop responding to the person who posts as Snowstorm? It’s becoming really tedious…obviously Snowstorm is not a TH fan. Obviously, Snowstorn is posting for no other reasn than to stir the pot. Obviously, Snowstorm has nothing else to do but potificate about the career and audience of TH as if Snowstorm is “in the know”. Every single post is filled with declarative sentences that begin “He must….”. The last post from Snowstorm was six lines and three sentences began with the words “He must”. Who in the world talks like that? Who in the world says they’re not trying to be mean but…..looks like none of you know anything about music. Please, just ignore Snowstorm. Not responding is a quite effective response.

  106. Wow. All I did was go to a party tonight. This discussion seems to have taken on a life of it’s own.

    I created this blog for everyone to speak their mind. For those of us that constantly are offering up the same opinion, ad nauseum, try a new gig.

    Now, back to the discussion, please.

  107. Oh, and Cher?? Welcome to the discussion. 🙂

    You sound like a wise, wise woman.

  108. Virtual Speak Says:

    YKW- Nope. Mr. Holland’s Opus. 🙂

  109. Virtual Speak Says:

    Welcome Cher! I agree with you. 🙂

  110. I am a Taylor Hicks fan and have been a fan from when I saw him on Idol. I think Taylor has lots of potential, but he has not achieved that yet. Am I fan who thinks Taylor is God and can do no wrong? No, I am not. So, does that make me a bad fan? Oh, well.

  111. I’ve been free of my TH obsession for about 18 months now, well, maybe not free, but I’ve kept it just “under the radar” so to speak. Then a couple of weeks ago I stumble into this place and read IAG (and others) expressing the exact thoughts about TH that have been floating around my head for quite a while.

    ACK!! Just when I thought I was out you pulled me back in!

  112. Snowstorm, nobody has called you a bad fan. I’m fine with you posting as long as you add to the discussion, and not try to bait others. This blog is about free speech and discussing music and Taylor. I have been called a bad fan a time or two, and that’s why I created this place. I want it to be a place where people in all phases of their fandom with Taylor can come together and talk.

  113. I know the feeling, Cher. I know the feeling. 😉

  114. Yes, HE MUST do those things if Taylor Hicks wants a career in music, otherwise, it’s over for Taylor Hicks.

  115. SS, Taylor MUST do what he thinks needs to be done. As for having a career in music, he has had one for quite some time now(over ten years) and will probably continue to have one for the rest of his life(which I hope is a very very long time!). Success means different things to different people…the fact that you see something as failure doesn’t make it so.
    Now, although this has been interesting, I’m taking my tired, old irrelevant, peri-menopausal self to bed. Us old folks tire easily!

  116. Snow, even though some may think you a negative soul for posting your thoughts, stay true to you. Stay with the group – that’s what keeps the fanbase real and honest – a balance of opinions. Others should think twice before they fly off the keyboards with detrimental negative denouncements in your direction.

    Man, you may not always be right, but you be real. I get that.

    Cheers.

  117. Thanks Spin! I always keep it real. Taylor must add new and younger fans to buy his music and that’s something his die-hard fans should be very concerned about. Otherwise, Taylor will do a disappearing act… Anybody remember Justin Guarini?

  118. I just don’t see Taylor adding younger fans to his audience unless he pulls a John Mayer. How does Mayer do it? He isn’t that cute and he’s really turned way more bluesy. Yet, he still seems to attract a wide age range of fans.

    As far as having hot young things in the front row. Well, I was approached at a Tom Petty concert and was with my mother. She is obese and in her 50’s. But, guess what? Tom’s “dude” put us in the 2nd row. Didn’t seem to matter that my mom was overweight and not a hot young babe.

    Snowstorm, I started liking the Stones when I was 11 (1981). I’ve stuck by them throughout all of these years and they are are still my favorite band. Doesn’t matter that they haven’t recorded anything “hot” since I started liking them. They still attract a huge audience and sell out shows left and right. But, they are OLD OLD OLD. LOL

    No, I am not comparing Taylor to the Stones. I am making a point that even the older acts still have fans of all ages coming to their shows.

    I grew up in the 80’s and saw many artists who had huge followings, only to fall from grace in the next year. In the 90’s, I stopped listening to the crap that was being played on the radio. I am far from middle-aged, old, or menopausal. Give me the old time rock ‘n roll any time. Thank God for people like Amanda Overmyer (11th place AI last season) who is bringing back the Janis Joplin/Melissa Etheridge sound. Not all young people like the crap that’s being force fed to them on the radio.

  119. SixxFan, I agree with your post. In fact, many college kids like obscure, alternative acts, as well, as the old acts like the Stones, U2, Tom Petty, The Eagles, etc. A lot of my brother’s friends are in college and most them don’t watch Idol and if they do watch it, it’s to make fun of it. I think in Taylor’s case, and for all American Idol contestants, American Idol is looked down upon and not taken seriously to find talent. The AI audience is mostly families.. kids, teens, Moms and Dads and they are not necessarily music fans. So, that is really where the problem lies. Taylor needs new fans – PERIOD.

  120. Taylor’s lack of success is not the fact that he’s got older women as fans. Yes, I agree it’s a little strange since he’s in his early 30s and doesn’t help only because new younger people are not going to be interested in joining in a “group” that is considered pretty unhip. But truth be told, if he had millions of older female fans (like Clay), then it wouldn’t be a problem at all. The problem is he doesn’t have many fans. THAT is the issue. It’s not their age.

  121. But, that’s the reason Clay and Taylor do not get played.. it’s because they have older fans. Taylor desperately needs a radio hit and without it he won’t have much of a music career.

  122. SixxFan, apparently the Petty seaters were looking for a mix in the front. Target perhaps to show the diversity of fans in attendance.

    Seaters don’t always go for the hot babes, depends on what msg. they’re wanting sent. My comment about hot babes in ref to Snow’s comments that Hicks could benefit from some “new” blood. lol

  123. What?? Taylor needs younger fans??!!??

    Who knew?

    I kid, Snowstorm. Totally kidding. 😉

  124. Hahaha, IAG now Snow knows the deal on the youth front. We just be old broads hanging out, ya know. 😉

  125. You’re right, snow storm. Idol is made fun of by many serious musicians. Many radio stations don’t play the songs released by an Idol. Country stations do, but my local rock station has yet to play Daughtry and Cook.

  126. Our local lite rock station plays Cook and Daughtry. Won’t find them on The Edge though, the real rock station here. lol

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